Eastern Railroad Discussion > NS 36T/NS 37T Abolished...

Binghamton to Allentown manifests 36T & 37T have been abolished as of today. 11Z & 14R will handle Allentown's stuff into & out of Enola now.

So what is left on the Lehigh Line west of Allentown?
Thanks,
Dan

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H66 and H67.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/20 20:14 by OHRY.

NS6707 Wrote:
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> Binghamton to Allentown manifests 36T & 37T have
> been abolished as of today. 11Z & 14R will handle
> Allentown's stuff into & out of Enola now.

As I understand the new operations via postings (from an NS employee) on the NS D&H and Southern Tier Lines Facebook page, the Buffalo-Allentown traffic formerly handled by 309/310 between Binghamton and Buffalo and 36T/37T between Allentown and Binghamton, will now run to/from Conway on 15M/14M and perhaps 10K/34A between Conway and Allentown. Southern Tier (eg, Gang Mills) and D&H traffic to/from Allentown will get added to 11Z/14R. But that's just what I'm reading...

I wonder if the Reading and Northern won’t end up with the Lehigh Line from Allentown west in the future?
Dan

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What does this save other than eliminating crews? Is it due to the Lehigh Line west if Allentown not having PTC and being unable to handle certain types of traffic? Is it cheaper to reroute traffic vs paying fees to the Reading and Northern? Just curious.

PRR_4859 Wrote:
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> What does this save other than eliminating crews?
> Is it due to the Lehigh Line west if Allentown not
> having PTC and being unable to handle certain
> types of traffic? Is it cheaper to reroute
> traffic vs paying fees to the Reading and
> Northern? Just curious.

It should enable NS to avoid paying RBM&N trackage rights fees south of Dupont PA. I've also read that now that 36T/37T are abolished, the 37T set-out for RBM&N at Penobscot won't happen anymore and such interchange will move to N Reading. 

None of the NS Sunbury line track south of Binghamton has PTC installed (in fact, the NS Southern Tier east of Silver Springs, NY as well as the D&H north out of Binghamton to CP-485 Schenectady (where CP trackage rights begin) do not have PTC installed as the PTC 15M annual tons and TIH thresholds are not exceeded).



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Would it make sense (business, operational, or otherwise) for the R&N to eventually take over Allentown yard and handle all of the locals that operate out of there to NJ, the cement belt, Lehigh Line west, and out the Reading line to Alburtis and up the C&F?
Seems like a huge set of operations to take on but not all that far fetched (especially since I never thought the Allentown hump would be shut down).
Just a thought from a guy who grew up in eastern PA and remembers clearly how run down the tracks in the anthracite regions were before Andy Muller took them over and made them what they are today.
Dan

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/20 11:14 by dschlegel.

dschlegel Wrote:
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> I wonder if the Reading and Northern won’t end
> up with the Lehigh Line from Allentown west in the
> future?
> Dan
>
> Posted from iPhone  Why would the R&N need it? They already do their work at Reading and Taylor and are presently building a bridge in Jim Thorpe to by pass Allentown.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/20 14:09 by rev66vette.

It got axed because any train currently averaging less than 5000 feet is under scrutiny to see if they can be combined. That pair only ran about 50-60 cars on average. Factor in the trackage rights and you have a prime candidate for getting combo'ed. It wouldn't surprise me to see if they can whack 35/36Q next.

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OHRY Wrote:

It wouldn't surprise me to see if they
> can whack 35/36Q next.
>
> Posted from Android


They already tried that. It didn't work out very well. But, nothing would surprise me either right now...



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ns1000 Wrote:
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> OHRY Wrote:
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> It wouldn't surprise me to see if they
> > can whack 35/36Q next.
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> > Posted from Android
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>
> They already tried that. It didn't work out very
> well. But, nothing would surprise me either right
> now...

Exactly. But volumes have been down on 30A lately. In fact the 18N and 30A have been getting combo'ed out of Enola frequently lately. Definitely wouldn't put it past them to try again.

OHRY Wrote:
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> Exactly. But volumes have been down on 30A lately.
> In fact the 18N and 30A have been getting combo'ed
> out of Enola frequently lately. Definitely
> wouldn't put it past them to try again.

Shouldn't 30A get longer, now that it should be carrying the Binghamton traffic?

Andrew

It should. Some traffic will go away though. Anything for Abrams isn't going to come to Allentown now.

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OHRY Wrote:
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> It should. Some traffic will go away though.
> Anything for Abrams isn't going to come to
> Allentown now.
>
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Interesting, does that kill H44 then?

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We've been using the H44 to take the chapman traffic to Alburtis.

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OHRY Wrote:
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> We've been using the H44 to take the chapman
> traffic to Alburtis.
>
> Posted from Android

I’ve noticed cars set out in Alburtis over the past couple of months. Is there no more H91 running from Allentown or Reading out to Chapman’s? In other words, does the local working the C&F only run from Chapman’s to Alburtis and back to do a set out and pick up?

Thanks!
Dan

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The H89 was abolished and now only H90 and H91 work out there. The H44 will drop the loads for the H90 to pick up. The H91 brings the empties down for the westward siding and usually the H11 picks them up to being back to Allentown.

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So, no more NS trains through Penobscot, period?

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Correct.

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