Eastern Railroad Discussion > Scrapping an SD9 last week

former AW&W 203:

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A Real Crime!  Any number of museums would love to have acquired this unit for scrap value.
From the video, it is apparent that #203 is being scrapped by Squaw Creek Southern in Boonville, IN.
ALLEN
 

krm152 Wrote:
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> A Real Crime!  Any number of museums would love
> to have acquired this unit for scrap value.
> From the video, it is apparent that #203 is being
> scrapped by Squaw Creek Southern in Boonville,
> IN.
> ALLEN

Yes, and too many museums are trying to save everything and they wind up like the Baltimore & Ohio R.R. Museum here in Baltimore where they have too much stuff and the original things that should be maintained outside are being left to rust away.  Cases in point; all the one-of-a-kind B&O Passenger Cars along with the ex-Reading T-1 #2101 American Freedom Train and Chessie Steam Special Steam Locomotive.  These pieces in the collection look terrible for anyone coming to the museum and the museum management refuses to do anything about this situation.  All museums really need to evaluate their purpose and only save what they can afford to maintain, otherwise it becomes a junk yard and we have enough of them around the country already.
John in White Marsh, Maryland

This is an ex-Central of Georgia unit from 1955. Very few pre-1963 CofG units left. 

There is scrap value and then there is parts value:

3K times 6 for each combo set
4K for the compressor
5K for the main gen
18K for the engine

Total for easily sellable EMD parts - 45K
Most museums don't have that kind of money

RWJ

krm152 Wrote:
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> A Real Crime!  Any number of museums would love
> to have acquired this unit for scrap value.
> From the video, it is apparent that #203 is being
> scrapped by Squaw Creek Southern in Boonville,
> IN.
> ALLEN
>  

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ClubCar Wrote:
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> krm152 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A Real Crime!  Any number of museums would
> love
> > to have acquired this unit for scrap value.
> > From the video, it is apparent that #203 is
> being
> > scrapped by Squaw Creek Southern in Boonville,
> > IN.
> > ALLEN
>
> Yes, and too many museums are trying to save
> everything and they wind up like the Baltimore &
> Ohio R.R. Museum here in Baltimore where they have
> too much stuff and the original things that should
> be maintained outside are being left to rust
> away.  Cases in point; all the one-of-a-kind B&O
> Passenger Cars along with the ex-Reading T-1 #2101
> American Freedom Train and Chessie Steam Special
> Steam Locomotive.  These pieces in the collection
> look terrible for anyone coming to the museum and
> the museum management refuses to do anything about
> this situation.  All museums really need to
> evaluate their purpose and only save what they can
> afford to maintain, otherwise it becomes a junk
> yard and we have enough of them around the country
> already.
> John in White Marsh, Maryland

Spot on, John.  That, and the majority of museums are facing a far worse dillema-- how to even keep the doors open in the future after being forced to close and not run revenue-generating train rides.  I'm afraid some will not survive the disease.
 

I believe I saw a post on "the Book of Face" that the prime mover was going into a preservation project.... I could be wrong!

It did

DTWilson Wrote:
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> I believe I saw a post on "the Book of Face" that
> the prime mover was going into a preservation
> project.... I could be wrong!

Engine is going to Anthracite Railroads Historical Societys F3B to replace a 567B.  

ctillnc Wrote:
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> This is an ex-Central of Georgia unit from 1955.
> Very few pre-1963 CofG units left. 

#203 was one of only six SD9's built for the CofG.
Would have been nice if the the unit had been offered for sale to museums before scrapping.
TVRM might have been interested in #203 since CofG operatted into Chattanooga.  Southeastern Railway is another museum that might have had an interest.
Possible another museum would have been willing to purchase the unit.
ARHS could have obtained a prime mover from a less historic source for their project.
Agree that museums have too much equipment. We had that problem 48 years ago when I was the Treasurer of the Kentucky Railway Museum in 1972.  However, scrapping historically significant units without attempts at preservation is not the answer to this problem.
ALLEN  

So did you put up the money to save it?  

sixaxlecentury Wrote:
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> So did you put up the money to save it?  

My point was that they could have offered to sell #203 to a museum before scrapping it.
As to donating to museums, I have donated to the Kentucky Railway Museum #152 Restoration Fund as well as some of their other projects.
Further, if a museum had solicited contrinbutions to save #203, I would have donated because I like the CofG and SD9's.
ALLEN

So how do you know this engine has not been forsale for some time?  
 

sixaxlecentury Wrote:
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> So how do you know this engine has not been
> forsale for some time?  
>  
If it has been for sale prove it!
ALLEN

ARHS bought the engine.  Thus, its was forsale in one way shape or form.  

sixaxlecentury Wrote:
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> ARHS bought the engine.  Thus, its was forsale in
> one way shape or form. 

Buying the prime mover is not the same thing as buying the engine.
ARHS does not have a lot of respect for preservation except their own.
In 1987 they bought ATSF #2649 the prototype CF7, the only one with dynamic brakes.
They used the prime mover and other components to restore an exBAR F3A then scrapped the remains of #2649.
At the time there were less historically significant CF7's available.

I believe that every effort should be made to preserve historically  significant units.

If you support scrapping historically significant units, that is your right.

I'm finished with the subject.

ALLEN

 

The 203 trailing second in better times along with sister 204 with a photo coal train taken April 26,2008.

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204 behind it bit it on sunday also,


Randy Allard

Good.

krm152 Wrote:
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> sixaxlecentury Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ARHS bought the engine.  Thus, its was forsale
> in
> > one way shape or form. 
>
> Buying the prime mover is not the same thing as
> buying the engine.
> ARHS does not have a lot of respect for
> preservation except their own.
> In 1987 they bought ATSF #2649 the prototype CF7,
> the only one with dynamic brakes.
> They used the prime mover and other components to
> restore an exBAR F3A then scrapped the remains of
> #2649.
> At the time there were less historically
> significant CF7's available.
>
> I believe that every effort should be made to
> preserve historically  significant units.
>
> If you support scrapping historically significant
> units, that is your right.
>
> I'm finished with the subject.
>
> ALLEN
>
>