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Date: 07/31/22 18:48
NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: Gerrypaul

As I understand the following: #22A to Louisville, #233 to Chicago, & #227 to Harrisburg. Those are three regular departures from Norfolk ( correct?). Are there others?  

Does anyone know currently accurate typical departure times of any/all of these trains from Norfolk? 

The #227 does a pick-up of manifest in Crewe before heading on to Harrisburg? I think that's right...or does it depart Norfolk with the manifest? 

All of these leave moving south, then do that loop-around at Weldon, NC to head up toward D.C., right?

Any info on any of this is appreciated!

---Gerrypaul 



Date: 07/31/22 19:25
Re: NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: doc1057

You're mixing the NS and CSX routes west from Norfolk. NS takes the old N&W mainline, which goes through Petersburg and Lyncbburg en-route to Roanoke. CSX trains from Norfolk take the former SAL to Weldon, then move onto the ex-ACL "A-line" to continue.



Date: 07/31/22 19:41
Re: NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: ShortlinesUSA

For my own clarification, does CSX have any operations in Norfolk proper?  I have always considered them as serving the Hampton Roads area from Portsmouth.  Is that correct?

Mike Derrick
 



Date: 07/31/22 19:41
Re: NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: Asheville_G

And CSX doesn’t really go to Norfolk.


The “Portsmouth Sub” runs Portsmouth, VA to Weldon, NC.

A pair of locals run this route, as well as I135, I136, and some grain/ethanol.

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Date: 07/31/22 19:42
Re: NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: Asheville_G

Mike, absolutely correct. CSX does not serve Norfolk proper.

ShortlinesUSA Wrote:
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> For my own clarification, does CSX have any
> operations in Norfolk proper?  I have always
> considered them as serving the Hampton Roads area
> from Portsmouth.  Is that correct?
>
> Mike Derrick
>  

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Date: 07/31/22 20:07
Re: NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: florida581

Like a lot of places on the system, the Norfolk District quite often has crew and locomotive shortages.  Trains are rarely on time and are often annulled and / or combined.  So take the following schedules with a grain of salt.

The following are the scheduled outbound road trains and their profiled departure times (in order of departure)
22A Norfolk - Louisville daily 04:00.
29G Norfolk - Sandusky daily 14:00.
233 Norfolk - Chicago Landers daily 21:30. 
227 Norfolk - Enola daily 23:00.  Departs Norfolk with a manifest block.

The following are the scheduled inbound road trains and their profiled arrival times (in order of arrival)
23G Louisville - Norfolk daily 09:30.
228 Enola - Norfolk daily 12:15.  Arrives in Norfolk with a manifest block.
234 Chicago Landers - Norfolk daily 15:40.
21N Detroit Livernois - Norfolk daily 15:50.

There are a couple of local turns that run in and out of Norfolk
V07 Norfolk - Suffolk daily turn.  Profiled Norfolk departure at 14:00 and arrival at 00:15.
V13 Petersburg - Norfolk Mo-Fr turn.  Profiled Norfolk arrival at 02:15 and departure at 04:15.

There are also about 3-4 coal trains a day in and out of Lamberts Point.  Two outbound empty trains are often combined.  Unit grain trains also make a sporadic appearance.  Unit trains can show up any time of the day or night.

Andrew


 



Date: 08/01/22 05:39
Re: NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: cinder

Andrew (florida581) ...... You continue to be a wealth of useful information.  NS 227 to Enola, PA:  Where does it turn north to Manassas; Lynchburg or Roanoke?  Does  the same hold true for NS 228 south?

Also, what NS manifest comes east from Roanoke to Lynchburg.on the former N&W..before turning north to Manassas on the former Southern and then going west on the B-Line?..



Date: 08/01/22 06:29
Re: NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: florida581

cinder Wrote:
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> Andrew (florida581) ...... You continue to be a
> wealth of useful information.  NS 227 to Enola,
> PA:  Where does it turn north to Manassas;
> Lynchburg or Roanoke?  Does  the same hold true
> for NS 228 south?

Both 227 and 228 make the turn at Lynchburg.
 
> Also, what NS manifest comes east from Roanoke to
> Lynchburg.on the former N&W..before turning north
> to Manassas on the former Southern and then going
> west on the B-Line?..

18M and 19M (Elkhart - Crewe pair) are the only manifests that run between Roanoke and Lynchburg, but those continue east to and from Crewe.  11Z / 12Z (to / from Enola) and 304 / 305 (to / from Shenandoah) run north out of Roanoke on the ex-N&W Roanoke District.  12R / 13R (Enola - Linwood / Columbia pair) are the only manifests that run north out of Lynchburg on the ex-SOU, as well as the Lynchburg - Alexandria locals K95 / K99.  

Andrew



Date: 08/02/22 09:46
Re: NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: DJ-12

florida581 Wrote:
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> cinder Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Andrew (florida581) ...... You continue to be a
> > wealth of useful information.  NS 227 to
> Enola,
> > PA:  Where does it turn north to Manassas;
> > Lynchburg or Roanoke?  Does  the same hold
> true
> > for NS 228 south?
>
> Both 227 and 228 make the turn at Lynchburg.
>  
> > Also, what NS manifest comes east from Roanoke
> to
> > Lynchburg.on the former N&W..before turning
> north
> > to Manassas on the former Southern and then
> going
> > west on the B-Line?..
>
> 18M and 19M (Elkhart - Crewe pair) are the only
> manifests that run between Roanoke and Lynchburg,
> but those continue east to and from Crewe.  11Z /
> 12Z (to / from Enola) and 304 / 305 (to / from
> Shenandoah) run north out of Roanoke on the ex-N&W
> Roanoke District.  12R / 13R (Enola - Linwood /
> Columbia pair) are the only manifests that run
> north out of Lynchburg on the ex-SOU, as well as
> the Lynchburg - Alexandria locals K95 / K99.  
>
> Andrew

304/305? Those would seem to be new trains...

That's good news for H line fans s it would get the line back to 3 train scheduled pairs of trains running much of the line with some of the best scenery.

I assume they are trying to reduce the amount of work the 11Z/12Z have to do enroute? Are these running on any kind of a schedule? Running Daily?



Date: 08/02/22 15:56
Re: NS departures from Norfolk, VA
Author: ns7500

Yes 304/305 were adding bc of the traffic on 11z/12 I will also mention that 201/202 will get routed differently soon along with a new symbol and 227/228 will have new symbols also

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/02/22 15:58 by ns7500.



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