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Date: 11/19/23 19:11
What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: Appalachianrails




Date: 11/19/23 21:33
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: P

The owner apparently decided not to operate trains due to poor track conditions.

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Date: 11/20/23 09:59
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: lynnpowell

Inspectors deened track conditions unsuitable for passenger carriage.  County owns the track and sees no benefit to them in repairing the track.



Date: 11/21/23 07:13
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: webmaster

It was a bad idea to conduct an ultrasound inspection of the rails.  Now they know about the defects they can't say they did not know of them.  In all probability a 10-15 mph train isn't going to have a catestrophic derailment on these tracks. If you ran rail inspections on every tourist railroad I doubt any of them would be operating today. I feel for the railroad operator as he is helpless. He doesn't own the railroad and the municipality that owns the line put him out of business by performing the inspection that wasn't required for operations. Perhaps this was their way to get rid of him.

Start-up a railbike operation, he would probably make more money over operating trains and rail defects don't matter.



 

Todd Clark
Canyon Country, CA
Trainorders.com



Date: 11/21/23 12:24
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: P

I'm not privy to the back story, but it should be operable as 'excepted track' for the passenger carrier with a max speed of 10mph - which should be fine with their operation.

I agree that an ultrasonic inspection was performed with the results known before it even started - and I doubt this was at all necessary by any agency. It seems a bigger risk to operate if you know every anomaly in the track and a derailment happens.
Hard to understand why the city would want to run them off. The train ride was probably the biggest draw that town has had in years. This really is a terrible. and sad story that ended in a way that didn't have to

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Date: 11/21/23 12:26
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: junctiontower

I really don't get the rail bike thing, probably for the same reason I don't hike or bicycle. I want to enjoy the scenery, I don't want a chore. Motorized speeder? Now I'm interested.

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Date: 11/21/23 14:52
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: Jim700

P Wrote:
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> I'm not privy to the back story, but it should be
> operable as 'excepted track' for the passenger
> carrier with a max speed of 10mph - which should
> be fine with their operation.

I have never heard of any "excepted track" being acceptable for passenger service.  When running Amtrak Talgo trains through the UPRR Brooklyn Yard, so they could run their freight trains on the main line, I had to be careful of which yard track I headed into because some of them were excepted tracks.



Date: 11/21/23 15:07
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: webmaster

junctiontower Wrote:
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> I really don't get the rail bike thing, probably
> for the same reason I don't hike or bicycle. I
> want to enjoy the scenery, I don't want a chore.
> Motorized speeder? Now I'm interested.
>
You and I are railfans and there are not enough of us to keep many tourist railroad in business. Tourist trains attract the very young and the very old, but generally not the people in between. Our customers tend to be active people between the ages of 25 and 60, though we get people in their 80s and occasionally 90s. Our machines have authentic wood centered steel wheels and it is a very cool experience running over jointed rail. Our grades are brutal at 2% so our pedal machines are equipped with electric assist so it is not terribly difficult. For those up for the challenge we have a 4 seater handcar which is our own design of a four person telegraph car.  

Out in Monterey during the summer our operation is sold out every weekend, carrying 500 people on 3 days of running and 1000 people over holiday weekends.  The wheels on our machines never stop rolling on the weekends.  If the sun did not set we could probably fill tours until midnight. This Thanksgiving weekend we have 13 tours scheduled and most of them are sold out. We'll probably carry 700 people over the holiday weekend.

We talked about what if we brought a train on our tracks?  For one it would get in the way of the human powered machines, and two, who would ride it when they can do the human powered machines.

http://www.handcar.com


 

Todd Clark
Canyon Country, CA
Trainorders.com



Date: 11/21/23 16:09
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: scraphauler

If this truly was the Port Authority’s way of getting rid of a tourist train on their freight railroad, why would they allow a rail bike operation on those same in service freight tracks?

Interesting side note - on of the passenger cars they use is MRLX 54520. Formerly AMTK 54520, still in full Amtrak paint. Yes, that is a Horizon coach in tourist train service.

webmaster Wrote:
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> It was a bad idea to conduct an ultrasound
> inspection of the rails.  Now they know about the
> defects they can't say they did not know of
> them.  In all probability a 10-15 mph train isn't
> going to have a catestrophic derailment on these
> tracks. If you ran rail inspections on every
> tourist railroad I doubt any of them would be
> operating today. I feel for the railroad operator
> as he is helpless. He doesn't own the railroad and
> the municipality that owns the line put him out of
> business by performing the inspection that wasn't
> required for operations. Perhaps this was their
> way to get rid of him.
>
> Start-up a railbike operation, he would probably
> make more money over operating trains and rail
> defects don't matter.
>
>
>
>  

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Date: 11/21/23 18:23
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: P

Jim700 Wrote:
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> P Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not privy to the back story, but it should
> be
> > operable as 'excepted track' for the passenger
> > carrier with a max speed of 10mph - which
> should
> > be fine with their operation.
>
> I have never heard of any "excepted track" being
> acceptable for passenger service.  When running
> Amtrak Talgo trains through the UPRR Brooklyn
> Yard, so they could run their freight trains on
> the main line, I had to be careful of which yard
> track I headed into because some of them were
> excepted tracks.

Yep, it's the 1st step up from OOS service track and of a lower standard than Class 1 track.

Of course it is possible that the rules have changed in the last 20 years, but it was certainly the way some tourist lines were able to operate.

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Date: 11/21/23 19:17
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: webmaster

I don't think track can be designated excepted track because of rail defects. Defects needed to be fixed or mitigated regardless of track class. Excepted track is more of a geometry and tie problem. 

Todd Clark
Canyon Country, CA
Trainorders.com



Date: 11/21/23 19:50
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: junctiontower

webmaster Wrote:
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> junctiontower Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I really don't get the rail bike thing,
> probably
> > for the same reason I don't hike or bicycle. I
> > want to enjoy the scenery, I don't want a
> chore.
> > Motorized speeder? Now I'm interested.
> >
> You and I are railfans and there are not enough of
> us to keep many tourist railroad in business.
> Tourist trains attract the very young and the very
> old, but generally not the people in between. Our
> customers tend to be active people between the
> ages of 25 and 60, though we get people in their
> 80s and occasionally 90s. Our machines have
> authentic wood centered steel wheels and it is a
> very cool experience running over jointed rail.
> Our grades are brutal at 2% so our pedal machines
> are equipped with electric assist so it is not
> terribly difficult. For those up for the challenge
> we have a 4 seater handcar which is our own design
> of a four person telegraph car.  
>
> Out in Monterey during the summer our operation is
> sold out every weekend, carrying 500 people on 3
> days of running and 1000 people over holiday
> weekends.  The wheels on our machines never stop
> rolling on the weekends.  If the sun did not set
> we could probably fill tours until midnight. This
> Thanksgiving weekend we have 13 tours scheduled
> and most of them are sold out. We'll probably
> carry 700 people over the holiday weekend.
>
> We talked about what if we brought a train on our
> tracks?  For one it would get in the way of the
> human powered machines, and two, who would ride it
> when they can do the human powered machines.
>
> http://www.handcar.com
>
>
>  

Well, I'm glad it works for you, and I'm glad people enjoy it.  It's just not something that would interest me much.  I have an aversion to walking or pedaling.  I only do them when there is no practical alternative.  I vowed that when I got my driver's license, I'd never ride a bicycle again, and since 1984, I've been on a bike MAYBE four times. 



Date: 11/21/23 21:30
Re: What Happened to the Ohio River Scenic Railway?
Author: portlander

Jim700 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> P Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not privy to the back story, but it should
> be
> > operable as 'excepted track' for the passenger
> > carrier with a max speed of 10mph - which
> should
> > be fine with their operation.
>
> I have never heard of any "excepted track" being
> acceptable for passenger service.  When running
> Amtrak Talgo trains through the UPRR Brooklyn
> Yard, so they could run their freight trains on
> the main line, I had to be careful of which yard
> track I headed into because some of them were
> excepted tracks.

This is correct. Excpeted track does not allow occupied passenger trains and hasn't since its inception in 1982.

The 1982 provision contains a number of operating restrictions, including limitations on where excepted track can be located and the number of cars containing hazardous materials (five) that can be hauled in one train. Maximum speed is 10 m.p.h., and passenger service is prohibited.
 



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