Model Railroading > Lumber loads

Started on a Lumber train with the obvious lumber loads you would see on SP trains in the 70s. I found the Wheels of time flats a bunch of fun to weather and put a patina on. The bulkhead flats took beating and wanted to show that on my cars. Had these at BAPM that I did now photograph. The flat car has a OWL Mountain load I modified for a 70s style load. Looking for ideas for loads anyone may want to share... Thanks for looking 

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How common would it be/have been to have unwrapped and wrapped lumber in the same load? other than examples where wrapping partially tore away in-transit, of course.
 

Funny you should mentione that, this showed up on the YouTube morning algorithm, SP on Salt Creek trestle, great Run 8 sound and mostly lumber loads. Not much detail but lots of spotting features of that middle era fork lift loads, says 1985:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWX5Onf_Ank

TCnR Wrote:
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> Funny you should mention that, 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWX5Onf_Ank

Awesome train with great examples of loads neighbor. !

As for the mixed loads, wrapped and unwrapped, I remember seeing center beam cars loaded that way. SO I took a bit of artist rendition on this as there is a prototype for everything. Hoping WAF or other SP knowledgeable folks can chime in here.

Added a video of Mark McCeod's lumber train with my locomotives in full dynamic braking from Father's Day evening run at Crockett Club
First two cars were my cars seen in this post. 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/21/22 16:30 by dmaffei.

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" Saw it on the internet so it must be true..."

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> SO I took a bit of artist rendition on this as
> there is a prototype for everything.

Looks right to me

Most of the loads I've seen are like those in the photo of that freight train.  The boards aren't stagerred a lot.  Yes, occationally some loads can be very staggered but I am preferring the more common look.  

The Owl Mountain loads replicate the old hand loaded loads. They were loaded and unloaded by hand. Pre WWII era.
When fork lifts started to be used the lengths were batter matched because the bundles were built on the loading dock where they were bundled with steel strapping before being loaded on the cars.

Rob Spangler updated an Owl Mtn load to look more like 70 also.

I like it

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One of my summer jobs several years (okay -- 1965 so decades) ago involved stacking green lumber -- mostly maple and basswood but some sugar pine.  The lumber was processed to make organ and piano keyboards. (For those that might be interested, we bought #1C&Btr grade hardwood action maple and basswood key stock. The sugar pine was B&Btr and was used for Steinway concert grand piano keyboards.) The 5/4 (1-1/4" thick) boards were anywhere from 3 to 16 leet in length and we were stacking them for drying.  We box-piled them so that the ends of the package were square. The maple and basswood were delivered on trucks but the sugar pine was a boxcar load (~30 Mbf IIRC) from the West Coast. That load was hand-loaded and hand-unloaded.  Box-piling made handling with equipment such as forklifts much easier. It also made better air-circulation in dry kilns which meant more uniform moisture content in the lumber packages. Uniform moisture contents means better finishing and end products.

Bruce

SPDRGWfan Wrote:
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> Most of the loads I've seen are like those in the
> photo of that freight train.  The boards aren't
> staggered a lot.  Yes, occasionally some loads
> can be very staggered but I am preferring the more

It just depends on how many yards it been through.  Kick em!  ;-)  Occasionally you have to kick it the other way to get the boards to line back up.  

Excellent weathering and loads!  Do you have a youtube channel?  Or have a suggestion on where to learn how to do loads like that?  

It's realisitc and adds variety.

Pinlifter Wrote:
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> SPDRGWfan Wrote:
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> > Most of the loads I've seen are like those in
> the
> > photo of that freight train.  The boards
> aren't
> > staggered a lot.  Yes, occasionally some loads
> > can be very staggered but I am preferring the
> more
>
> It just depends on how many yards it been
> through.  Kick em!  ;-)  Occasionally you have
> to kick it the other way to get the boards to line
> back up.  
>
> Excellent weathering and loads!  Do you have a
> youtube channel?  Or have a suggestion on where
> to learn how to do loads like that?  

Didn't Roseville have a bulkhead like device they could shove shifted lumber loads against to correct the shift?
I seem to remember reading about it but I can't remember where.

Watching the YouTube channel my neighbor recommended I found a good example of a two cars with mixed bare wood and wrapped wood at about a minute nineteenth seconds into this video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e1_yKF7WFM&list=PL7HWfVEcpTZi3b-6ZWD_xX1B9-CDwJdN-&index=9
what monster trains in the Cascades of Oregon !

I don't have a YouTube channel, but try to share here on TO.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/23/22 18:47 by dmaffei.

I think I might've been off by one but I counted 79 cars.  3/7 for the engines.  Lets do some quick math.  Assume 100 tons per car (math is easier). 8000 ton train. 30,000hp!! (3000hp x 10).  3.75hpt (horse power per ton).  That is awesome!  
I was curious on how you built the wood loads.  What wood you use and the tie downs.  
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> Watching the YouTube channel my neighbor
> recommended I found a good example of a two cars
> with mixed bare wood and wrapped wood at about a
> minute nineteenth seconds into this video 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e1_yKF7WFM&list=P
> L7HWfVEcpTZi3b-6ZWD_xX1B9-CDwJdN-&index=9
> what monster trains in the Cascades of Oregon !
>
> I don't have a YouTube channel, but try to share
> here on TO.

Pinlifter Wrote:
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> I was curious on how you built the wood loads. 
> What wood you use and the tie downs.  

For the first car, I used Jason's loads from Owl MT and cut the loads in half. Photo is from Jason's site attached 
http://www.owlmtmodels.com/lumber/3001.html
The other load is Wheels of time load with Jaegar wrapped loads 
I used 1/64 Chartpak tape to band the loads. (A mindless long tedious job)

Hope this helps,
Dave
 

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Perfect!  Thank you!

Tape is not well good at sticking

WAF Wrote:
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> Tape is not well good at sticking

That's why you "help" it with a bit of thin super glue.