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Date: 04/19/17 08:44
Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: mwarfel

Sound Transit to fuel light-rail trains with wind power starting in 2019: http://st.news/2oOx7Zv (@MikeLindblom)



Date: 04/19/17 09:08
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: ts1457

How many birds will pay the ultimate price to achieve this goal?



Date: 04/19/17 09:09
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: TAW




Date: 04/19/17 10:02
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: andersonb109

Nothing buy eye sores on the landscape. Since when is electricity "dirty."



Date: 04/19/17 10:18
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: ATSF3751

andersonb109 Wrote:
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> Nothing buy eye sores on the landscape. Since when
> is electricity "dirty."


Electricity is not dirty. "Clean" coal is. Multiple sources are available for generation of power that are cheaper and more efficient.



Date: 04/19/17 10:51
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: 4489

andersonb109 Wrote:
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> Nothing buy eye sores on the landscape. Since when
> is electricity "dirty."

When it is produced by "dirty" fuel!



Date: 04/19/17 11:01
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: GenePoon

Trains with Propellers? Literally? Here's a picture of what TAW mentioned.

This was the rear end (it was a pusher) of the prototype Kruchenberg Schienenzeppelin
(Rail Zeppelin), built 1930-31.

It was faster than Acela and the original Shinkansen (145mph verified between Hamburg
and Berlin) on relatively flat track, but in hilly terrain the BMW aircraft engine
and propeller could not maintain adequate speed; nor did they provide adequate
acceleration from standstill; they had to be supplemented by DC electric drive.

Of course, this speed was soundly surpassed by jet power: the B-47 jet engines
on a Budd Rail Diesel Car, on the New York Central.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/17 11:06 by GenePoon.




Date: 04/19/17 11:09
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: exhaustED

ts1457 Wrote:
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> How many birds will pay the ultimate price to
> achieve this goal?

Not as many as if we continue pouring CO2 and other nasties into the atmosphere.



Date: 04/19/17 11:45
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: NGotwalt

I'm with TAW and GP, that is what I expected to see. Glad to hear Seattle is going green.
Nick

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Date: 04/19/17 15:27
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: jst3751

ts1457 Wrote:
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> How many birds will pay the ultimate price to
> achieve this goal?

Please explain, in detail with full disclosure, what method of electricy generation does NOT have cons.

Your failure to do so will result in your removal from your high horse.



Date: 04/19/17 17:41
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: boxcab

Most of our power is from "white coal", as the Milwaukee Road called it: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/864409722197935271/



Date: 04/19/17 18:21
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: ts1457

jst3751 Wrote:
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> ts1457 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How many birds will pay the ultimate price to
> > achieve this goal?
>
> Please explain, in detail with full disclosure,
> what method of electricy generation does NOT have
> cons.
>
> Your failure to do so will result in your removal
> from your high horse.

Very few wind farms would be built without subsidies. Bird deaths are just an added cost.



Date: 04/20/17 08:48
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: railwaybaron

ts1457 Wrote:
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> How many birds will pay the ultimate price to
> achieve this goal?

Why don't all you bird-huggers flee the coop, and leave us coal-huggering model railroaders alone to run our HO D&RGW CSPDU unit Coal-Liners in circles!



Date: 04/21/17 23:06
Re: Trains with Propellers? ;-)
Author: cchan006

ts1457 Wrote:
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> Very few wind farms would be built without
> subsidies. Bird deaths are just an added cost.

Interesting that a Texas oil guy was a big promoter of wind power (his ventures have eventually failed), and yes, subsidies and other "government incentives" motivated people like him.

Here's hoping climate change won't stop the wind in Washington State. :-)



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