Passenger Trains > Latest Info Regarding Coast Starlight Service

Here is the latest information regarding Coast Starlight operation north of Sacramento for the remainder of April. Starting May 1st it appears 11 and 14 will be annulled between Seattle and Portland also.

Coast Starlight Pacific Northwest Operation:
April 27, 2017
Train 11 will not operate due to the moratorium but will bus passengers between Seattle – Portland. Passengers traveling Portland – Eugene will have the option of reserving on regularly scheduled buses and trains.
Train 14 will operate from Klamath Falls to Seattle. Passengers from south of Klamath Falls will be bussed from Sacramento to Klamath Falls.

April 28, 29, 30, 2017
Train 11 will operate between Seattle – Portland. Passengers traveling Portland – Eugene will have the option of reserving on regularly scheduled buses and trains.
No alternate transportation will be offered south of Eugene.
Train 14 will operate between Portland – Seattle. Passengers traveling Eugene – Portland will have the option of reserving on regularly scheduled buses and trains.
No alternate transportation will be offered from south of Eugene.

May 01 – 04, 2017
Train 11 and 14 will not operate. Passengers traveling Seattle - Eugene – Seattle will have the option of reserving on regularly scheduled buses and trains.

May 05 – 07, 2017
Currently being evaluated for potential operation.

What has happened to cause all this disruption with the Coast Starlight?

UP freight derailment near Sims, south of Dunsmuir. It occurred on a bridge, which was damaged. For some reason Amtrak is not able to provide alternate transportation, such as a bus bridge. Or they aren't trying.

Posted from Android

No stub train between Los Angeles and Sacramento for riders south of the disruption?

latl1450 Wrote:
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> What has happened to cause all this disruption
> with the Coast Starlight?


A UP freight train badly damages a bridge a SIMS, CA which is
approx 10 miles south of DUNSMUIR CA .
This is the former SP Shasta Line in northern California, USA (planet earth -LOLOL )
This happened yesterday -tuesday 4-25-17 in the year 2017
---- Daniel

I wonder if Amtrak is using this event as an excuse to save money and put
the entire Coast Starlight train in hiatus - hibernation until the entire route is open ????
A Huge travel tragedy for folks who want to travel the CA coast route SAC to LAX.
Amtrak needs to at least run a FULL stub route from SAC to LAX --coast line - for us in California to use for the duration.
----Daniel

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tehachapidenied Wrote:
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> No stub train between Los Angeles and Sacramento
> for riders south of the disruption?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/26/17 15:28 by daniel3197.

tehachapidenied Wrote:
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> No stub train between Los Angeles and Sacramento
> for riders south of the disruption?


Service south of Sacramento is not affected.

MarionLinn Wrote:
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> tehachapidenied Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No stub train between Los Angeles and
> Sacramento
> > for riders south of the disruption?
>
>
> Service south of Sacramento is not affected.

GOOD --THank Goodness for that wise decision !!!
-----Daniel

11 was 4 hours late into Salinas today.
C

Carol Voss
Bakersfield, CA

MarionLinn Wrote:
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> tehachapidenied Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No stub train between Los Angeles and
> Sacramento
> > for riders south of the disruption?
>
>
> Service south of Sacramento is not affected.
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It sure LOOKS like it is, beginning April 28.
Information, from the QUITTERS themselves:

> April 28, 29, 30, 2017

> Train 11 will operate between Seattle – Portland. Passengers
> traveling Portland – Eugene will have the option of reserving on
> regularly scheduled buses and trains. No alternate transportation
> will be offered south of Eugene.

> Train 14 will operate between Portland – Seattle. Passengers
> traveling Eugene – Portland will have the option of reserving on
> regularly scheduled buses and trains. No alternate transportation
> will be offered from south of Eugene.

> May 01 – 04, 2017

> Train 11 and 14 will not operate. Passengers traveling Seattle -
> Eugene – Seattle will have the option of reserving on regularly
> scheduled buses and trains.

> May 05 – 07, 2017 Currently being evaluated for potential operation.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/26/17 20:15 by GenePoon.

Hmm, it is pretty doggone easy to see that amtrak.com allows LAX to SNS on Train 14 for next week. But if true, I agree the wording above could be written more clearly.

Get real. The train cannot operate until the bridge is repaired or replaced. There is no Grand Conspiracy. The Coast Starlight is a popular train and non operation affects revenue.



daniel3197 Wrote:
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> I wonder if Amtrak is using this event as an
> excuse to save money and put
> the entire Coast Starlight train in hiatus -
> hibernation until the entire route is open ????
> A Huge travel tragedy for folks who want to travel
> the CA coast route SAC to LAX.
> Amtrak needs to at least run a FULL stub route
> from SAC to LAX --coast line - for us in
> California to use for the duration.
> ----Daniel
>
> ==============================
> tehachapidenied Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No stub train between Los Angeles and
> Sacramento
> > for riders south of the disruption?

Posted from Android

stash Wrote:
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> Get real. The train cannot operate until the
> bridge is repaired or replaced. There is no Grand
> Conspiracy. The Coast Starlight is a popular train
> and non operation affects revenue.
>
>
>
> daniel3197 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I wonder if Amtrak is using this event as an
> > excuse to save money and put
> > the entire Coast Starlight train in hiatus -
> > hibernation until the entire route is open ????
> > A Huge travel tragedy for folks who want to
> travel
> > the CA coast route SAC to LAX.
> > Amtrak needs to at least run a FULL stub route
> > from SAC to LAX --coast line - for us in
> > California to use for the duration.
> > ----Daniel
> >
> > ==============================
> > tehachapidenied Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > No stub train between Los Angeles and
> > Sacramento
> > > for riders south of the disruption?
>
> Posted from Android

See if Amtrak was really real, they would detour the Starlight through the Burlington Northern Santa Fe "Highland" between the Keddie Wye and Klamath Falls provided that ex Western Pacific / Great Northern route can accommodate Superliners.

SantaFeRuss

The BNSF detour is not necessarily practical. Detouring UP trains have priority. The route is not high capacity. Crews could be short. Not to mention a lot of added time for 11-14 to take the long route.

Amtrak knows what to do. They do the best they can.

BTW, how many decades has the Great Northern been gone?



SantaFeRuss Wrote:
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> stash Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Get real. The train cannot operate until the
> > bridge is repaired or replaced. There is no
> Grand
> > Conspiracy. The Coast Starlight is a popular
> train
> > and non operation affects revenue.
> >
> >
> >
> > daniel3197 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I wonder if Amtrak is using this event as an
> > > excuse to save money and put
> > > the entire Coast Starlight train in hiatus -
> > > hibernation until the entire route is open
> ????
> > > A Huge travel tragedy for folks who want to
> > travel
> > > the CA coast route SAC to LAX.
> > > Amtrak needs to at least run a FULL stub
> route
> > > from SAC to LAX --coast line - for us in
> > > California to use for the duration.
> > > ----Daniel
> > >
> > > ==============================
> > > tehachapidenied Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > No stub train between Los Angeles and
> > > Sacramento
> > > > for riders south of the disruption?
> >
> > Posted from Android
>
> See if Amtrak was really real, they would detour
> the Starlight through the Burlington Northern
> Santa Fe "Highland" between the Keddie Wye and
> Klamath Falls provided that ex Western Pacific /
> Great Northern route can accommodate Superliners.
>
> SantaFeRuss



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/26/17 21:12 by stash.

GenePoon Wrote:
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> MarionLinn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > tehachapidenied Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > No stub train between Los Angeles and
> > Sacramento
> > > for riders south of the disruption?
> >
> >
> > Service south of Sacramento is not affected.
> ================================
>
> It sure LOOKS like it is, beginning April 28.
> Information, from the QUITTERS themselves:


Look more carefully at the original post...

MarionLinn Wrote:
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> Here is the latest information regarding Coast
> Starlight operation north of Sacramento for the
> remainder of April. Starting May 1st it appears
> 11 and 14 will be annulled between Seattle and
> Portland also.

From what I hear there will be a stub train operating daily between Los Angeles and Sacramento on the Starlight's schedule.

MarionLinn Wrote:
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>
> May 05 – 07, 2017
> Currently being evaluated for potential operation.

UP says the route will be out of service for up to 30 days.
https://www.up.com/customers/announcements/customernews/generalannouncements/CN2017-28.html

A source says that a stub Starlight will operate between Los Angeles and
Sacramento, with one each, beginning tomorrow: Baggage, Sleeper, Diner,
Business Class, Lounge and Coach behind the power.

Starlight On Board Service crews will lose their regular job assignments
but will not be furloughed; they will be on the extra board while the
through service is out. They will not be able to exercise seniority
and bump less-senior employees. The stub Starlight will be staffed
off the extra board.

Another thing Amtrak could do, is route some of the Midwest-Seattle traffic to Chicago and negotiate with some hotel for a decent rate to house people overnight for #7/27 the next day.

Cannot understand why they cannot do a bus bridge between Dunsmuir and Redding. Its only an hour.

In 30 years in the airline biz, we never told a passenger that "there was no alternative transportation.

The fact that Amtrak does this, tells me that they do not take their service seriously.

Yes, I know all about crew availability, servicing, etc. Long story short, If u are a serious transportation company,
there are no excuses. U get it done. period. We always did. Buses, hotel rooms, transportation on our competitors...
It was the cost of taking care of your passengers, and having a good reputation. Obviously, Amtk cares about neither, imho.
Its pathetic.

Maybe there isn't a place to turn the train around.
And to service the Train. I'm just guessing here.



pdt Wrote:
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> Cannot understand why they cannot do a bus bridge
> between Dunsmuir and Redding. Its only an hour.
>
> In 30 years in the airline biz, we never told a
> passenger that "there was no alternative
> transportation.
>
> The fact that Amtrak does this, tells me that they
> do not take their service seriously.
>
> Yes, I know all about crew availability,
> servicing, etc. Long story short, If u are a
> serious transportation company,
> there are no excuses. U get it done. period. We
> always did. Buses, hotel rooms, transportation on
> our competitors...
> It was the cost of taking care of your passengers,
> and having a good reputation. Obviously, Amtk
> cares about neither, imho.
> Its pathetic.

Jerry Martin
Los Angeles, CA
Central Coast Railroad Festival