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Date: 10/17/18 18:47
Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: railfan400

Anyone need a Pacific Parlour Car?
There is a link to a list of cars and locomotives Amtrak has up for bid under heading "Non Construction Business Opportunities", Opportunity no. X10172018-001, "Sales Offer Number 2019-02 - Sales of Equipment - Locomotives and Railcars."
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https://procurement.amtrak.com/irj/portal/anonymous?NavigationTarget=navurl%3A%2F%2Fc14b70706495ce1dac9a981cc142f8cc



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/17/18 19:04 by railfan400.



Date: 10/17/18 19:04
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: 611Fan

railfan400 Wrote:
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> Anyone need a Pacific Parlour Car?
> There is a link to a list of cars and locomotives
> Amtrak has up for bid under heading "Non
> Construction Business Opportunities", Opportunity
> no. X10172018-001, "Sales Offer Number 2019-02 -
> Sales of Equipment - Locomotives and Railcars."
> .
> https://procurement.amtrak.com/irj/portal/anonymou
> s?NavigationTarget=navurl%3A%2F%2Fc14b70706495ce1d
> ac9a981cc142f8cc


Sure I would ... would possibly be too expensive for me .

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/17/18 19:07 by 611Fan.



Date: 10/17/18 19:09
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: BuddPullman

It would be great if at least one or two of the Hi-Level Lounge Cars could go to Rail Museums for preservation.

Thank you for sharing this link.



Date: 10/17/18 19:40
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: jp1822

Well, all five Parlor Cars are up for bid!!!

Didn't realize there was that many F40s still around, and even P40s. Guess Cabbage and NPCU conversions are not needed......Hope the Metroliner cab cars hold up!!!!

Horizon cars for sale - interesting. But who knows what type of condition they are in - or any off the equipment!

Only three material handling cars for sale - New Haven location. I thought Amtrak still had a bunch of those still around or up in New Haven that they could unload! 

Cleaning House! I am sure Anderson can't see the Parlor Cars off the property fast enough. Could go to a nice PV owner, even if a risk investment (e.g. they wouldn't be handled by Amtrak on PV basis). 
 



Date: 10/17/18 20:05
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: SPB

It will be interesting to see if the ultimate sale prices are impacted by Amtrak's new policy limiting how private cars on Amtrak trains are handled.  

Gerry



Date: 10/17/18 20:46
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: illini73

BuddPullman Wrote:
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> It would be great if at least one or two of the Hi-Level Lounge Cars could go to Rail Museums for preservation.

They can ask, per item 7 of the Conditions of Sale:

7. Donation requests (Railroad Museums, Railroad Preservation and Historical Societies): All donation requests for equipment listed on this Sales Offer must be accompanied by a letter on museum letterhead, stating the reason for the donation request and the intended use of the equipment requested should the donation be granted. Please note that Donation requests are not exempt from any Conditions of Sale term (1-10).

The last sentence means, among other things, that the receiving Museum will have to pay for prep. and movement of the donated car or locomotive.



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Date: 10/17/18 22:16
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: MEKoch

I note that Connecticut DOT is rebuilding a number of the P-40s for use on their trains.  With Amtrak so short of motive power, why are they not also rebuilding the locos noted in this sale?    Don't tell me they are 25 years old either.  Amtrak cannot even get two engines ready to operate 81-82, 58-59, 21-22.  They have repeated road failures on these trains.  Any proper railroad would have spare units at JAX, FTW, STL, MEM, etc.  



Date: 10/18/18 04:36
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: mt-king

This is how they sold off the many dome cars they had up to the 1980s (except one, Ocean View).



Date: 10/18/18 08:24
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: joemvcnj

MEKoch Wrote:
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> I note that Connecticut DOT is rebuilding a number
> of the P-40s for use on their trains.  With
> Amtrak so short of motive power, why are they not
> also rebuilding the locos noted in this sale?   
> Don't tell me they are 25 years old either. 
> Amtrak cannot even get two engines ready to
> operate 81-82, 58-59, 21-22.  They have repeated
> road failures on these trains.  Any proper
> railroad would have spare units at JAX, FTW, STL,
> MEM, etc.  

With P42's being more and more isolated to LD trains with the Chargers around, Anderson is more interested in sabotaging LD  revenue than running service without breakdowns. 



Date: 10/18/18 08:44
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: Lackawanna484

joemvcnj Wrote:
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(SNIP)
>
> With P42's being more and more isolated to LD
> trains with the Chargers around, Anderson is more
> interested in sabotaging LD  revenue than running
> service without breakdowns. 

I hear that, but it seems that Amtrak's over the road failures are way down on long distance trains.

Far fewer cases of running out of fuel an hour into a run, or borrowing freight power.  It used to be much more common.

My concern is the P40/42 units which have been displaced are not being rebuilt.



Date: 10/18/18 18:22
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: Flyer92122

Too bad they couldn’t keep one Parlor like they do Ocean view. Filter it around the western long distance trains like the dome does.  No point in saying it to this crowd anymore but Anderson has to go. I just pray there’s no off the books negotiations to sell new diners or CAF order positions to Via. He can’t list them like the surplus cars Congress would flip out but a negotiated sale for a change in business direction  who knows. I don’t trust him at all not one bit.



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Date: 10/18/18 20:53
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: coach

Losing those Pacific Parlour Cars really hurt.  Class and pride doesn't matter anymore to these new people.  They are an embarrassment.



Date: 10/19/18 10:52
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: joemvcnj

The PPC's were over 60 years old. Amtrak is not a museum. BUT, 5 of the SL Sightseer cars should have been converted to PPC's

I don't know how bad a shape the 7 Horizons are in, but they no doubt don't want to spend money on them when the west coast and Chicago fleets will be replaced in 2 or 3 years. Amtrak hates those cars anyway.



Date: 10/19/18 11:11
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: jst3751

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> The PPC's were over 60 years old. Amtrak is not a
> museum. BUT, 5 of the SL Sightseer cars should
> have been converted to PPC's

And which 5 extra lying around not being used elsewhere Superliner Sightseer/Lounge cars are you referring to?



Date: 10/19/18 12:02
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: mundo

In the case of the Parlor cars, anyone one purchasing for preservatio or donation could see the internior of the car destroyed being shipped in freight service.  Just think of all the necessary switch and local moves to get the car from Beech Grove to Chicago, then through all the transfer switching involvled. to a major departure yard.

LOts of money involved, so I hope those who want to see one or more saved, are willing to open up the pocket books.



Date: 10/19/18 12:42
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: joemvcnj

jst3751 Wrote:
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> joemvcnj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The PPC's were over 60 years old. Amtrak is not
> a
> > museum. BUT, 5 of the SL Sightseer cars should
> > have been converted to PPC's
>
> And which 5 extra lying around not being used
> elsewhere Superliner Sightseer/Lounge cars are you
> referring to?

By my count, 29 are required for service.  Out of 33000 -33049, 44 are active.



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Date: 10/19/18 12:53
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: jst3751

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> jst3751 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > joemvcnj Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The PPC's were over 60 years old. Amtrak is
> not
> > a
> > > museum. BUT, 5 of the SL Sightseer cars
> should
> > > have been converted to PPC's
> >
> > And which 5 extra lying around not being used
> > elsewhere Superliner Sightseer/Lounge cars are
> you
> > referring to?
>
> By my count, 29 are required for service.  Out of
> 33000 -33049, 44 are active.

Since you obviously have inside information that most of us would not be privy to, please list them out for us.



Date: 10/19/18 12:58
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: BuddPullman

As you are probably aware, the VIA "Canadian" cars are older by 2 years and they continue to work hard in transcon service.  Aging of a Budd railcar is not comparable to aging of an automobile or Winnebago, for example.



Date: 10/19/18 15:01
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: joemvcnj

jst3751 Wrote:
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> joemvcnj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jst3751 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > joemvcnj Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The PPC's were over 60 years old. Amtrak is
> > not
> > > a
> > > > museum. BUT, 5 of the SL Sightseer cars
> > should
> > > > have been converted to PPC's
> > >
> > > And which 5 extra lying around not being used
> > > elsewhere Superliner Sightseer/Lounge cars
> are
> > you
> > > referring to?
> >
> > By my count, 29 are required for service.  Out
> of
> > 33000 -33049, 44 are active.
>
> Since you obviously have inside information that
> most of us would not be privy to, please list them
> out for us.

Hardly insider information. There are numerous rosters out there like this one:
http://on-track-on-line.com/amtk-roster-cars.shtml

Most of us know which trains have what and how many set of equipment each train uses.
 



Date: 10/19/18 20:22
Re: Amtrak surplus equipment sale
Author: abyler

jst3751 Wrote:
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> joemvcnj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jst3751 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > joemvcnj Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The PPC's were over 60 years old. Amtrak is
> > not
> > > a
> > > > museum. BUT, 5 of the SL Sightseer cars
> > should
> > > > have been converted to PPC's
> > >
> > > And which 5 extra lying around not being used
> > > elsewhere Superliner Sightseer/Lounge cars
> are
> > you
> > > referring to?
> >
> > By my count, 29 are required for service.  Out
> of
> > 33000 -33049, 44 are active.
>
> Since you obviously have inside information that
> most of us would not be privy to, please list them
> out for us.

Coast Starlight 4
Empire Builder 5
Zephyr 6
Chief 5
Sunset Limited 3
Eagle 4
City of New Orleans 3
Capitol Limited 3 (seasonal)

Protect cars - Chicago, New Orleans, LA, Oakland
Shop Margin - 7 (20%)
Spare - 3

Where are those 5 extra cars?



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