Passenger Trains > NJ Transit wins huge insurance claim

Nearly $400 mn for super storm Sandy damage to cars and locomotives. Also facilities, I believe.

132 train storage at COUNTY sounds wrong. Maybe 132 cars?

https://www.nj.com/traffic/2019/11/nj-transit-wins-400m-legal-battle-to-have-insurance-cover-hurricane-sandy-damages.html

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Considering NJT's negligence, they should not have gotten it all. An insurance company is not supposed to be an ATM machine when there is poor due diligence. By the time they decided they should clear out Hoboken Terminal, and move trains to the Otisville tunnel, they had already clogged the adjacent Bergen Tunnels with stored trains. They merely acted for a more traditional storm like Irene a year prior, which flooded in completely different areas. They left trains not only in the Meadowland, ina swap, bordered by 2 rivers, but in Bay Head Yard. Most of the 45 retired Comet-III cars were flood damged and will never get repaired. They are waiting for bank liens to run out, then they will scrap them. 

NYCTA and LIRR knew exactly what to do. Only one 8 car subway train at 207th Street terminal was in 3 feet of water, and it was repaired. Otherwise, there was no damage to their car fleet of 6,400 cars. They were smart enough to clear out Coney Island Yard. LIRR pulled all their trains out of Far Rockaway, Long Beach, Montauk, Oyster Bay, and the West Side Yard. 



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/19/19 15:26 by joemvcnj.

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> LIRR pulled all their trains out of
> Far Rockaway, Long Beach, Montauk, Oyster Bay, and
> the West Side Yard. 

So if you clear out all those yards, what does that leave as viable storage options during a storm surge? Maybe Ronkonkoma?

Babylon, Port Jeff, Hempstead, Richmond Hill, Hillside, Atlantic Avenue tunnels, which are inland and above sea level.

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pennsy3750 Wrote:
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> joemvcnj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > LIRR pulled all their trains out of
> > Far Rockaway, Long Beach, Montauk, Oyster Bay,
> and
> > the West Side Yard. 
>
> So if you clear out all those yards, what does
> that leave as viable storage options during a
> storm surge? Maybe Ronkonkoma?

Ronkonkoma, Jamaica, Richmond Hill, Hillside, Huntington, Babylon, Hempstead, West Hempstead, etc.

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> Considering NJT's negligence, they should not have
> gotten it all. An insurance company is not
> supposed to be an ATM machine when there is poor
> due diligence. By the time they decided they
> should clear out Hoboken Terminal, and move trains
> to the Otisville tunnel, they had already clogged
> the adjacent Bergen Tunnels with stored trains.
> They merely acted for a more traditional storm
> like Irene a year prior, which flooded in
> completely different areas. They left trains not
> only in the Meadowland, ina swap, bordered by 2
> rivers, but in Bay Head Yard. Most of the 45
> retired Comet-III cars were flood damged and will
> never get repaired. They are waiting for bank
> liens to run out, then they will scrap them. 
>
> NYCTA and LIRR knew exactly what to do. Only one 8
> car subway train at 207th Street terminal was in 3
> feet of water, and it was repaired. Otherwise,
> there was no damage to their car fleet of 6,400
> cars. They were smart enough to clear out Coney
> Island Yard. LIRR pulled all their trains out of
> Far Rockaway, Long Beach, Montauk, Oyster Bay, and
> the West Side Yard. 

The Comet 3 cars were absolute piles of garbage 20 years ago. They should have been scrapped and put out of their misery years before they were taken out of service. I hated when they were thrown in a consist of Comet !V's. It messed the whole train up!!

You know, insurance companies usually don't pay a claim unless they have too.
So it seems that they don't think that NJ Transit messed up.
Unlike the opinions of some of the "experts"...

PHall Wrote:
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> You know, insurance companies usually don't pay a
> claim unless they have too.
> So it seems that they don't think that NJ Transit
> messed up. Unlike the opinions of some of the "experts"...

The fact is NJT got double digit hikes in their insurance premiums in 2013. The other rail operators did not. The NJT Board fired several in top management over this. MTA operators have huge volumes of procedures of what to do under these circumstances. NJT had just a few pages. The deciding legal factor here was flooding from a named windstorm, as opposed to "run-off". If this was such a slam dunk for NJT, it would not have taken 7 years of legal proceedings to settle. 

 



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/19 18:00 by joemvcnj.

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> PHall Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You know, insurance companies usually don't pay
> a
> > claim unless they have too.
> > So it seems that they don't think that NJ
> Transit
> > messed up. Unlike the opinions of some of the
> "experts"...
>
> The fact is NJT got double digit hikes in their
> insurance premiums in 2013. The other rail
> operators did not. The NJT Board fired several in
> top management over this. MTA operators have huge
> volumes of procedures of what to do under these
> circumstances. NJT had just a few pages. The
> deciding legal factor here was flooding from a
> named windstorm, as opposed to "run-off". If this
> was such a slam dunk for NJT, it would not have
> taken 7 years of legal proceedings to settle. 
>
>  

A couple of years for an insurance payout is not unusual.