Passenger Trains > OT: American Airlines in PIT (not PGH), April 2020

American Airlines in Pittsburgh PA, April 2020

Puts puny Amtrak into perspective...this is only ONE location of several where American has stored aircraft.

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My goodness!

Tulsa has a lot stored as well. O'Hare has American and United as well as their regional all lined up. Grim situation. United and Delta have announced they are extending their elite frequent flyer statuses beyond when they would expire at the end of the year otherwise. American has not made an announcement yet if they will extend status or reduce the miles/segments/dollars required to achieve status in 2020 for the year 2021. As an American Platinum Pro, I am eagerly awaiting this announcement. 

Seth- 

Man that's a LOT of planes!   

It is a lot of planes !

AA still maintains a maintenance base in Pittsburgh from the US Airway days

Makes sense to use Pittsburgh for storage

Makes Beach Grove look like a junkyard

Posted from iPhone

How many were 737-Max's that were already grounded anyway?

My surmise is that the grounded MAXs are in the California desert. They were not 'delivered' to SWA, AA, or UA.  They remain the property of Boeing.  Now, those AA Airbuses and such at KPIT were lively flown to the hub from somewhere else when they weren't needed.   Last week, the ramps at San Antonio were full of parked jets. The're gone now, to their respective hubs.

Studying the PIT video, I see no 737 MAX...



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I tried to count tails and I came up with 76 of them.  It's hard to tell in some cases where they blend together.  Regardless/, there are a bunch of aircraft sitting around making a lot of shady spots on the tarmac.  Just heard on Fox News that 40% of all aircraft worldwide have been grounded, a total of 10,500 aircraft.   They expect that some of the planes will never go back into commercial service.  Many of them were scheduled to be removed from service next year and when things return to more normal times, demand may not pick up immediately.  Besides the ones parked at Pittsburg, Chicago has a bunch, as well as many other airports around the nation.  Several companies have sent their overflow to Arizona where the weather is more suitable for storage.

Thanks for posting that video.  Sure, it's OT but it pertains to the Amtrak competition.

John
 

FYI, a significat number of 737-MAX's were in fact delivered to SWA, and flew for several months before the disasters and grounding.  Several of their pilots stated that they figured out the potnetial flaws in the system and knew how to override it if it kicked in. At least one said that better plane handling on takeoff might have prevented the two tragedies, which certainly does not in any way exonerate Boeing. I'm not sure about the others; because SWA was first to order, they got first deliveries and put them into service immediately.

This should make anderson109b very happy.

sethamtrak Wrote:
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> Tulsa has a lot stored as well. O'Hare has
> American and United as well as their regional all
> lined up. Grim situation. United and Delta have
> announced they are extending their elite frequent
> flyer statuses beyond when they would expire at
> the end of the year otherwise. American has not
> made an announcement yet if they will extend
> status or reduce the miles/segments/dollars
> required to achieve status in 2020 for the year
> 2021. As an American Platinum Pro, I am eagerly
> awaiting this announcement. 
>
> Seth- 

These were not the 737 Max 8's.  Most are Airbus 320's which are maintained in Pittsburgh

There are a LOT of planes stored in Cleveland too, although most of them are the smaller regional planes. 

Kimball Wrote:
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> How many were 737-Max's that were already grounded
> anyway?

AA MAXs are all stored in Tulsa and Roswell.  An airliner roster photorapher would love to have access to that taxiway.



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I saw a news report this afternoon that said that an estimated 40% of the world's passenger aircraft are parked.

PRR1361 Wrote:
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> FYI, a significat number of 737-MAX's were in fact
> delivered to SWA, and flew for several months
> before the disasters and grounding.  Several of
> their pilots stated that they figured out the
> potnetial flaws in the system and knew how to
> override it if it kicked in. At least one said
> that better plane handling on takeoff might have
> prevented the two tragedies, which certainly does
> not in any way exonerate Boeing. I'm not sure
> about the others; because SWA was first to order,
> they got first deliveries and put them into
> service immediately.

Thats the same info I heard from a swa pilot he says they knew what to do, but the other pilots were poorly trained in other countries.

Posted from Android

When the FAA issued the grounding order on March 13, 2019, three US airlines had 737 MAX planes in service as follows:

Southwest 34
American 24
United 24

Boeing has produced additional planes for all three airlines which have not been released from the factory because of the FAA grounding order.

goduckies Wrote:
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> Thats the same info I heard from a swa pilot he
> says they knew what to do, but the other pilots
> were poorly trained in other countries.

Sorry guys - if it were so simple, the planes would have been returned to service everywhere many months ago. That has never happened, and is now not likely for a good long time, if ever.

Ray

Ray_Murphy Wrote:
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> goduckies Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Thats the same info I heard from a swa pilot he
> > says they knew what to do, but the other pilots
> > were poorly trained in other countries.
>
> Sorry guys - if it were so simple, the planes
> would have been returned to service everywhere
> many months ago. That has never happened, and is
> now not likely for a good long time, if ever.
>
> Ray

The recertification program is being much more through then the first one was. As in a line by line examination of the Flight Control Syetem computer code. And there's over a million lines of code.
And the aviation authorities in the EU, UK, Japan and Canada among other places are not planning to give the aircraft a rubber stamp approval just because the FAA approved them either.
So it's going to take much longer. COVID-19 isn't helping either.

Boeing has made payments to the three US carriers to offset their problems with the 737MAX. And expects to make significant payments in 2020.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/business/southwest-american-airlines-earnings/index.html