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Passenger Trains > Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter OperationsDate: 05/17/22 07:20 Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: restricted_speed I watched a slide show yesterday which included several pictures of commuter trains in Chicago with bi-level gallery cars, but also a single level car immediately behind the locomotive.
No one seemed to know the reason for this. Speculation included these being private cimmuter club cars to head-end power plants. Does anyone here happen to know?   Date: 05/17/22 08:10 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: czephyr17 Both could be true. If they were C&NW north line trains, they could have been private club cars. If a Burlington train, they were likely HEP cars.
Posted from iPhone Date: 05/17/22 08:47 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: wzd I think with the Milwaukee, it may have been a way to get a little extra capacity. I don't think the Milwaukee had the commuter club cars like the CNW did.
Date: 05/17/22 08:47 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: steve4031 The shot of the Burlington Commuter train is especially interesting. I believe this is the Hinsdale Stop. I moved there in 1977. By that time the tracks were in much better shape with welded rail and more ballast.
Date: 05/17/22 08:47 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: Typhoon The BN car is a HEP car. I am not sure about the Milwaukee one, however I don't think it is a power car.
Date: 05/17/22 08:57 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: restricted_speed Did all the "modern" bi-level gallery cars require HEP?
Date: 05/17/22 09:00 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: NPRocky I remember reading that the Milwaukee converted some of its older intercity coaches to commuter seating to add commuter capacity as it discontinued intercity trains. Apparently they couldn't get a bilevel order going at that time.
Date: 05/17/22 09:11 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: OSWishram Can someone possibly tell us which tower is seen in the Milwaukee Road photo, please?
Bob W. Date: 05/17/22 09:24 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: kevink That is Tower A-2 at Western Avenue. It is where the former Milwaukee Road crosses the former C&NW. Today, the Metra Milwaukee District North and West lines cross the UP Geneva Sub used by Metra’s UP-West Line.
Posted from iPhone Date: 05/17/22 10:00 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: TAW Typhoon Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The BN car is a HEP car. Right > I am not sure about the > Milwaukee one, however I don't think it is a power > car. Nope. As far as dim memory can take me, only the Q used power cars. TAW Date: 05/17/22 10:00 Re: Question re. Chicago 1970's Commuter Operations Author: DevalDragon There is still one chartered single level coach on the UP North line operating during the rush hour.
Date: 05/17/22 10:28 Re: Chicago 1970's Commuter Ops Author: timz CB&Q galleries always needed HEP, didn't they?
And no CB&Q/BN units produced HEP until the rebuilt green E9s arrived? How about the first CNW galleries? Did they use HEP at all? (Don't recall whether Q or CNW had the first galleries.) Date: 05/17/22 10:31 Re: Chicago 1970's Commuter Ops Author: mundo Thanks for the good post folks and without slinging mud or politics.
Ed Date: 05/17/22 10:40 Re: Chicago 1970's Commuter Ops Author: Typhoon timz Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > How about the first CNW galleries? > Did they use HEP at all? ( Yes they did. The think the C&NW even had some GP9s delivered from EMD with power for suburban service. Date: 05/17/22 10:46 Re: Chicago 1970's Commuter Ops Author: ts1457 I think the C&NW had at least three chartered bar cars If I recall correctly. I'd see them on the North Line circa 1971-1972.
The Milwaukee car certainly looks like a coach, but in the back of my mind I seem to think that the Milwaukee Road had one bar car operation. Date: 05/17/22 11:13 Re: Chicago 1970's Commuter Ops Author: mundo Orgional 48 CNW cars were built for steam, later converted.
Total 280 cars. Ed Date: 05/17/22 13:37 Re: Chicago 1970's Commuter Ops Author: JayK These photos are from the Rodney Peterson collection that I presented to the Potomac Chapter NRHS at an on-line meeting. I think it is important to credit the original photographers. Credit Milwaukee 105 C to John Stubblefield and BN 9984 to Alan Miller.
Jim Kleeman. Date: 05/17/22 14:04 Re: Chicago 1970's Commuter Ops Author: philgos The single level cars were not Commuter Clubs on the Milw or Burlington/ BN but were the designated Smoking Car. They both had walk over seats which were fiipped to face the direction of travel.
Date: 05/17/22 14:12 Re: Chicago 1970's Commuter Ops Author: restricted_speed philgos Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The single level cars were not Commuter Clubs on > the Milw or Burlington/ BN but were the > designated Smoking Car. They both had walk over > seats which were fiipped to face the direction of > travel. > Ah OK. Interesting. Posted from Android Date: 05/17/22 14:23 Re: Chicago 1970's Commuter Ops Author: wzd The first CBQ galleries were built in 1950 and the first CNW galleries in 1955, as I recall.
Also, back in the 1950's, the CNW had 4 heavyweight commuter club cars. It was a very expensive commute, but the more wealthy folks from lake Forest could certainly afford it. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/17/22 17:24 by wzd. |