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Date: 11/17/22 07:04
a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: goneon66

a late #4 just after sunrise at hackberry, az on the bnsf's seligman this morning...........

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Date: 11/17/22 07:29
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: ronald321

I think this train is currently 4 hours 38 minutes late,

The Chief arriving Chicago today is 4 hours 12 minutes late

The Eagle arriving St. Louis today is 6 hours 48 minutes late

The NB Auto Train is 3 hours 48 minutes late.

Amtrak is such a mess.  Can't wait for the STB to take up the On-Time Case.

 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/17/22 07:30 by ronald321.



Date: 11/17/22 08:07
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: goneon66

ronald321 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think this train is currently 4 hours 38 minutes
> late,
>
> The Chief arriving Chicago today is 4 hours 12
> minutes late
>
> The Eagle arriving St. Louis today is 6 hours 48
> minutes late
>
> The NB Auto Train is 3 hours 48 minutes late.
>
> Amtrak is such a mess.  Can't wait for the STB to
> take up the On-Time Case.
>

#3 was late yesterday.

any ideas what caused these delays?

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Date: 11/17/22 08:37
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: TomPittsfieldMA

Here's some of what I';ve been watching on the southwest Chief: Train 3 11/14  from Chicago. On 11/15 operating 3:45 late - mechanical issues and freight delays. On 11/16, delayed in Flagstaff (FLG) due to a freight train incident. Arrived 8:29 late at Los Angeles at 4:29 p.m. on 11/16 Train 4 11/15 from Los Angeles delayed in Kingman due to the same  freight train incident that stopped 3 (15) above. 2:45 late at Gallup NM. Southwest Chief Train 4, which then stopped east of Las Vegas due to a disabled vehicle on the tracks along the route ahead. On 11/17, 4:13 late at Newton KS Train 4 11/16 left Los Angeles on time at 5:55 p.m. (only 1:26 after arrival of Train 3)  but then had to reverse back to Los Angeles for assistance due to mechanical issues. Departed again 4 1/2 hours late. On 11/17, 4:38 late at Kingman AZ.



Date: 11/17/22 08:42
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: goneon66

thanks for that info tom............

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Date: 11/17/22 09:30
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: PHall

ronald321 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think this train is currently 4 hours 38 minutes
> late,
>
> The Chief arriving Chicago today is 4 hours 12
> minutes late
>
> The Eagle arriving St. Louis today is 6 hours 48
> minutes late
>
> The NB Auto Train is 3 hours 48 minutes late.
>
> Amtrak is such a mess.  Can't wait for the STB to
> take up the On-Time Case.
>
>  

And when they "discover" that many of the delays are caused by Amtrak themself what are they going to do?



Date: 11/17/22 10:35
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: goneon66

PHall Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ronald321 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think this train is currently 4 hours 38
> minutes
> > late,
> >
> > The Chief arriving Chicago today is 4 hours 12
> > minutes late
> >
> > The Eagle arriving St. Louis today is 6 hours
> 48
> > minutes late
> >
> > The NB Auto Train is 3 hours 48 minutes late.
> >
> > Amtrak is such a mess.  Can't wait for the STB
> to
> > take up the On-Time Case.
> >
> >  
>
> And when they "discover" that many of the delays
> are caused by Amtrak themself what are they going
> to do?

i was wondering about that too..........

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Date: 11/17/22 13:03
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: cutboy1958

Nice  vieo. Maybe  next  year  one  mor  coach and  sleeper!!!



Date: 11/17/22 16:14
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: ronald321

PHall
goneon66

Here's what I know from reading the very detail "On Time Matrix", developed by the Federal Railroad Administration -
which will be used by the STB in the up-coming On Time case.

The "Matrix" defines exactly what "Late" means (in extreme detail) - and not just the end-point arrival.
For example - if the Chief is on-time at Chicago (padding) - but was late 1 hour at Kansas City - a fine could be charged
against whoever caused the late KC arrival.

Yes, if Amtrak caused the delay - they could be fined.  But, lucky for Amtrak, ..freight train interference is the overwhelming cause.
 
No fines will be assesed for late trains caused by -road crossing accidents; police action, Acts of God, etc.

The dollar amount of fines (which the STB calls "Remedies") will be determined at the up-comming trial.



Date: 11/17/22 16:19
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: sethamtrak

ronald321 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think this train is currently 4 hours 38 minutes
> late,
>
> The Chief arriving Chicago today is 4 hours 12
> minutes late
>
> The Eagle arriving St. Louis today is 6 hours 48
> minutes late
>
> The NB Auto Train is 3 hours 48 minutes late.
>
> Amtrak is such a mess.  Can't wait for the STB to
> take up the On-Time Case.
>

Add 7(17) to the list. They just hada bad grade crossing strike outside of Milwaukee. 



Date: 11/17/22 16:38
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: goneon66

ronald,

from what i have seen out here, the bnsf's freights get dumped well in advance of amtrak, even IF amtrak is hours late.

here is a video depicting some mighty fine treatment of another very late #4 by the bnsf a while ago...........

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Date: 11/17/22 18:47
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: zoohogger

I really like the early morning view of #4.  

rick z



Date: 11/18/22 13:18
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: BuddPullman

Beautiful!  Thank you.



Date: 11/20/22 18:45
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: ProAmtrak

Cool video Goneon, you sure do pick your spots on oppurtunities on late trains, keep it up man, maybe someday I'll run into in Kingman, I'm long overdue railfannning that neck of the woods!



Date: 11/20/22 19:00
Re: a late #4 into the sunrise.........
Author: ProAmtrak

ronald321 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> PHall
> goneon66
>
> Here's what I know from reading the very detail
> "On Time Matrix", developed by the Federal
> Railroad Administration -
> which will be used by the STB in the up-coming On
> Time case.
>
> The "Matrix" defines exactly what "Late" means (in
> extreme detail) - and not just the end-point
> arrival.
> For example - if the Chief is on-time at Chicago
> (padding) - but was late 1 hour at Kansas City - a
> fine could be charged
> against whoever caused the late KC arrival.
>
> Yes, if Amtrak caused the delay - they could be
> fined.  But, lucky for Amtrak, ..freight train
> interference is the overwhelming cause.
>  
> No fines will be assesed for late trains caused by
> -road crossing accidents; police action, Acts of
> God, etc.
>
> The dollar amount of fines (which the STB calls
> "Remedies") will be determined at the up-comming
> trial.

That's understandable, wonder why you can't accept that Ronald, always assuming with a very late train passengers "suffer!"



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