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Nostalgia & History > St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box carDate: 01/22/06 08:58 St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: alco636 CNW GP7 4463. A warm summer day, being a kid, and having fun. Life was good.
 Date: 01/22/06 08:59 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: alco636 The 4182. All photos taken near the CNW's Hoffman Yard. It's right next to the former Milwaukee Road Pigs Eye Yard.
 Date: 01/22/06 09:00 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: alco636 I never cared for the Zito yellow. Sure faded quickly.
 Date: 01/22/06 09:01 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: alco636 Lotsa power.
 Date: 01/22/06 09:02 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: alco636 Great Lakes Coal & Dock SW1. Is this a former Soo Line locomotive? Can't see a number.
 Date: 01/22/06 09:03 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: alco636 Really cool 40' ribed side box car. Built date was 1939.
 Date: 01/22/06 09:28 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: highgreengraphics That neat little SW-1 has been a fixture there for years. If you go to Pig's Eye yard now from the Dayton's Bluff area, it is there. One can get a nice shot from a concrete retaining wall in the morning of that little engine in its usual parking spot, with the Mississippi in the background and St. Paul skyline. I have often wondered about the lineage of that little cutie. - - JLH
Date: 01/22/06 10:48 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: myoungwisc What year are these shots from?
Martin Date: 01/22/06 10:53 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: alco636 June, 1989.
Date: 01/22/06 14:17 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: cnw400 Why did so many Milwaukee Road box cars have the small door in the bulkhead. I remember when I was a little kid, someone told me it was to load long pieces of lumber. Anyone know for or have any ideas?
Date: 01/22/06 14:37 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: MTMEngineer cnw400 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Why did so many Milwaukee Road box cars have the > small door in the bulkhead. I remember when I was > a little kid, someone told me it was to load long > pieces of lumber. Anyone know for or have any > ideas? You're friend told you right. It was not unique to MILW, and was very common on wooden and steel boxcars through the first half of the 20th century. Date: 01/22/06 17:16 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: MILW16 Yes, the small door was for loading long boards. I can't imagine how long it would take to load and unload a car that way, but labor was cheap then...
By the way, great photos. I used to hang out there when I was in college at UW-River Falls. Someday, If I ever get a slide scanner, I'll have to dig those slide out. Date: 01/22/06 17:27 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: SilverSky The SW1 was the Soo's only SW1, or so I was told.
Silver Sky Date: 01/22/06 17:36 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: SOO6617 Soo Line SW1 number 320, the only SW1 rostered on the Soo. Before the 1961 merger it worked in Minneapolis, after the merger it worked mainly Oshkosh or Neenah, WI.
Date: 01/22/06 19:46 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: highgreengraphics Really cool - I have photographed it many times, now I will respect it more - if and when it is ever done serving its current owners, it would make a cute museum piece in SOO paint! - - JLH
Date: 01/22/06 20:33 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: alco636 Weren't these small doors used for loading grain also?
MTMEngineer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cnw400 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Why did so many Milwaukee Road box cars have > the > > small door in the bulkhead. I remember when > I was > > a little kid, someone told me it was to load > long > > pieces of lumber. Anyone know for or have > any > > ideas? > > > You're friend told you right. It was not unique > to MILW, and was very common on wooden and steel > boxcars through the first half of the 20th > century. Date: 01/22/06 21:08 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: MTMEngineer alco636 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Weren't these small doors used for loading grain > also? > I suppose you could, but it wouldn't be practical, as only one end of the car had one. A grain door is typically not a door at all. OK, a few boxcars were built with "a close fitting movable door on the inside of a box car by which the lower part of the door opening is closed is closed when the car is loaded with grain, to prevent the latter from leaking out," per my 1957 Car Builders Cyclopedia. But I never saw one, nor even photos or plans of a car so equipped. Usually, however, temporary wooden boards were nailed into the doorway, these usually being an assembly of six planks arranged into a panel about 1 1/2" thick, 20" wide, and a bit over five feet long, several of these panels being used in each doorway to block off the lower half or so of the doorway. These graindoors could be found stacked near the tracks near every grain elevator. They were also considered prime stock by hobos. Take one of those things and place it on the truss rods of a wooden car and you had yourself top notch train riding. No, I never did this myself. Date: 01/23/06 04:14 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: alco636 Thanks for the info!
Date: 01/23/06 10:05 Re: St. Paul, CNW, a SW1, and a MILW box car Author: JasonCNW Man i miss those old GeeP's.
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