Western Railroad Discussion > Why does the U.P. not have a Cotton belt herritage unit?

I have been wondering this for a while now. The U.P. has like 9 patched SSW units, I know the Cotton Belt was a small line and was absorbed by the S.P. was the Cotton Belt just not big enough or because it was already absorbed by the S.P. prior to the U.P. merging with the S.P.?

You mean like this one?  This is an HO MTH that I did for a customer a couple years ago...Not my pics so I can't take the credit for that, but I can take the credit for the modeling, painting, and decals.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/14/17 20:30 by sp8192.

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Ya something like that. Looks good!

bankshotone Wrote:
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> I have been wondering this for a while now. The
> U.P. has like 9 patched SSW units, I know the
> Cotton Belt was a small line and was absorbed by
> the S.P. was the Cotton Belt just not big enough
> or because it was already absorbed by the S.P.
> prior to the U.P. merging with the S.P.?

The Cotton Belt (aka Saint Louis-Southwestern) was a subsidary of the SP. So in legal terms it was not an "independant" railroad like the other Heritage Unit roads.

PHall Wrote:
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> bankshotone Wrote:
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> > I have been wondering this for a while now. The
> > U.P. has like 9 patched SSW units, I know the
> > Cotton Belt was a small line and was absorbed
> by
> > the S.P. was the Cotton Belt just not big
> enough
> > or because it was already absorbed by the S.P.
> > prior to the U.P. merging with the S.P.?
>
> The Cotton Belt (aka Saint Louis-Southwestern) was
> a subsidary of the SP. So in legal terms it was
> not an "independant" railroad like the other
> Heritage Unit roads.


So does this prevent the U.P. from having a heritage unit or just goes against how they have done it for other roads?

PHall Wrote:
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> The Cotton Belt (aka Saint Louis-Southwestern) was
> a subsidary of the SP. So in legal terms it was
> not an "independant" railroad like the other
> Heritage Unit roads.

But, the same could have been said about the DRGW.
It was already SP.

If Cotton Belt, then there should also be a PE heritage unit with a trombone whistle.

Steve

Spokane International!

The SSW/Cotton Belt -- purchased by SP in 1932, not merged until 1992...  
"The Southern Pacific Company gained Interstate Commerce Commission approval to control the Cotton Belt system on April 14, 1932, but continued to operate it as a separate company until 1992"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Southwestern_Railway

Same with the Texas and Pacific?  Already a subsidiary of the Missouri Pacific?  
"

• October 15, 1976 - merged with the Missouri Pacific"
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_and_Pacific_Railway

NS did it right...  http://www.nscorp.com/content/nscorp/en/the-norfolk-southern-story/heritage-locomotives.html

Ted in OR

Realist Wrote:
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> PHall Wrote:
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> > The Cotton Belt (aka Saint Louis-Southwestern)
> was
> > a subsidary of the SP. So in legal terms it was
> > not an "independant" railroad like the other
> > Heritage Unit roads.
>
> But, the same could have been said about the
> DRGW.
> It was already SP.

Rio Grande took over SP in 88 and kept the name, go figure on why you got both railroads with Heritage Units!

Good job on the Cotton Belt SD70ACe. Union Pacific would not paint a heritage Cotton Belt unit nowhere near that accurate. UP did not do any of the other so-called heritage SD70ACe units in a historicly accurate paint scheme. Union Pacific did someone's ideal of a fantasy paint scheme on all of those locomotives. Norfolk Southern did their heritage units right.

SantaFeRuss

Posted from Android

I like the UP's heritage units - a fresh look that emphasizes the heritage predecessor rather than a particular paint scheme.

Having said that, let's do a Texas and Pacific first! Swamp holly orange is truly unique. Not sure the SSW ever got that far from the SP ranch on paint schemes.

Either way, time for some fun!

SGillings Wrote:
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> If Cotton Belt, then there should also be a PE
> heritage unit with a trombone whistle.
>
> Steve

Or how about a Portland Traction switcher complete with trolley poles (PTC 100)! That would honor both SP and UP's joint ownership of the PTC.

EMDSW-1

bankshotone Wrote:
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> I have been wondering this for a while now. The
> U.P. has like 9 patched SSW units, I know the
> Cotton Belt was a small line and was absorbed by
> the S.P. was the Cotton Belt just not big enough
> or because it was already absorbed by the S.P.
> prior to the U.P. merging with the S.P.?

NS has an extensive hertiage fleet program.

CSX has no heritage program

UP has a heritage fleet program, but not as extensive as NS

BNSF has no heritage program.

So why complain about something that they have not done, when they didn't have to do any of it in the first place, and they are doing more than half the other railroads in the country?

I liked the UP heritage unit re-imagining, and I'm delighted they did it.  That was an exceptionally nice nod to their heritage.

Olympic uniits, Bush 41 unit, various specials, this is a decent number of units over the years.

jst3751 Wrote:
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> bankshotone Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have been wondering this for a while now. The
> > U.P. has like 9 patched SSW units, I know the
> > Cotton Belt was a small line and was absorbed
> by
> > the S.P. was the Cotton Belt just not big
> enough
> > or because it was already absorbed by the S.P.
> > prior to the U.P. merging with the S.P.?
>
> NS has an extensive hertiage fleet program.
>
> CSX has no heritage program
>
> UP has a heritage fleet program, but not as
> extensive as NS
>
> BNSF has no heritage program.
>
> So why complain about something that they have not
> done, when they didn't have to do any of it in the
> first place, and they are doing more than half the
> other railroads in the country?

Whoa slow down. To be clear about this thread is am simply asking questions to help understand something.  I am not complaining. I respect what the U.P. does with the herritage locomotives and the historical fleet. I'm not complaining.

No Bamberger either!

jst3751 Wrote:
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> CSX has no heritage program
>
> BNSF has no heritage program.
>

CSX has several locomotives with decals of predecessor railroads on the noses of them and BNSF has a small fleet of 'legacy hoppers' with predecessor logos on them. They aren't much, but still cool. 
 

CSX has, or recently had, several "heritage" cabooses, including Chessie, Chessie "safety slogan", B&O Anniversary and B&OCT.  And they've turned out at least one very nice looking Fruit Grower's Express RBL boxcar.

SGillings Wrote:
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> If Cotton Belt, then there should also be a PE
> heritage unit with a trombone whistle.
>
> Steve


HEY< I'll go for that one!!!!!