Western Railroad Discussion > Wonder what the asking price?

NS upped the buy order by 20 units of U.P. SD9043MAC'S for a total of 120. Why don't U.P. just sell them all 309 motors. And wonder how much NS is paying for each motor. Also there is a rumor that NS buying all of BNSF GP60B locomotives.

Why don't they buy all 309 units ? Probably because Union Pacific doesn't have all of them for sale.

Discount them all, get rid of all of them.

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Weren't these the units with the frame crack issues? I hadn't heard of UP repairing them or even having a solution so does NS know something UP doesn't?

Railbaron Wrote:
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> Weren't these the units with the frame crack
> issues? I hadn't heard of UP repairing them or
> even having a solution so does NS know something
> UP doesn't?


I believe some of them are fixed.....??

The fix was to add more attachment points from the fuel tank to the frame. A 5000 gallon tank hanging from just four points was just too much stress at those four points.

Are these units all coming off of lease?

SOO6617 Wrote:
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> The fix was to add more attachment points from the
> fuel tank to the frame. A 5000 gallon tank hanging
> from just four points was just too much stress at
> those four points.


Actually a 6300 gallon tank. A SD70ACe has a 4900 gallon tank & the SD70M has a 5000 gallon tank.

They had better not be selling the B's or I am going to be PO'd! Not to mention BNSF does not have enough four axle GP power to cover jobs anyway! They better look into buying some of the GP20C-ECO's like CP, but 100% new without the trade in frames.

NWRailfan Wrote:
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> They had better not be selling the B's or I am
> going to be PO'd! Not to mention BNSF does not
> have enough four axle GP power to cover jobs
> anyway! They better look into buying some of the
> GP20C-ECO's like CP, but 100% new without the
> trade in frames.


Then they would have to meet Tier 4 emissions. All new (not rebuilt) locos after 01-01-15 have to meet Tier 4 if sold to a US common carrier.

I would be suprised to see BNSF get rid of the GP60B's. They are making pretty good use out og them in the NW with many being part of yard switch sets or assigned to locals.

I can't imagine that NS would want the GP60Bs. They actually GOT RID of 80 good four axle units, and have plenty of units that have never been upgraded. As for the GP ECO units, I would THINK if they were 100% new, they would have to meet Tier 4 standards and would be VERY expensive. You need to trade in SOMETHING, no matter how little is used (like CP did) to make the deal work. The GP30's BNSF sold off would have been ideal cores.

The idiot who started the GP60B rumor has been frequently wrong...

FWIW, BNSF plans on adding cabs to the GP60Bs eventually. One is at MAC in Kansas City now for this very purpose.

NS is acquiring 100 of the UP SD90MAC units via EMD, not 120 units. The 100 were trade-ins by UP to EMD on the order for 100 SD70ACe's which are to be built toward years end and delivered to UP after the first of next year.

The SD90MAC units acquired by NS can be found on my roster page listed here:

http://www.nsdash9.com/rosters/7230.html

The rumors regarding NS acquiring B-units are thus far just rumors and haven't been confirmed by any NS sources.



Chris Toth
NSDash9.com

Are any SD9043MAC's in active service on UP and where?

rsanchez Wrote:
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> Are these units all coming off of lease?


No. They were owned, not leased.

NWRailfan Wrote:
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> They had better not be selling the B's or I am
> going to be PO'd! Not to mention BNSF does not
> have enough four axle GP power to cover jobs
> anyway! They better look into buying some of the
> GP20C-ECO's like CP, but 100% new without the
> trade in frames.

The GP20C-ECOs only have trade-in truck frames, the locomotive frames are brand new, that is why they are being built at Muncie. The SD30C-ECOs re-use the SD40-2 frames, CP seems relatively pleased with the SD30C-ECOs, the only real question is whether the numbers are favorable.

There are a few running on the UP. Late on Saturday 13th I saw the 3519 heading east on a manifest, in company with CP ES44AC 8826 at 2340 at Kearney NE, meanwhile, earlier that day, 3719 arrived at North Platte on another manifest on a very parky morning at about 04.40 going west past the water tower/elevator. . There are, of course, many of these units stored in front of the tower at North Platte

Thanks for the update!!!