Western Railroad Discussion > Major derailment Pocatello Sub.

Just in, there has been a major derailment at Talmage on the Pocatello sub. I heard 34 cars. Trains are rerouting through Ogden as main line is completely out of service. I dont have any pictures yet.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/20 12:14 by HogheadMike.

MNPPD 16. Head 34 cars did not derail and were taken to Pocatello. Shows to have derailed 32 cars. Train was 181 cars in total.

Am I correct in saying they seem to have had a lot of derailments lately?

any word on the crew?

66

Will this cause any Detours on the FRC or Donner? Is there another route through Idaho?

Since it was east of Pocatello, trains can run south to Ogden and then east. Doubt you will see any detours on the I-5 corridor.
 

Ted Curphey
Ontario, OR

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funnelfan Wrote:
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> Since it was east of Pocatello, trains can run
> south to Ogden and then east. Doubt you will see
> any detours on the I-5 corridor.

Please forgive my lack of knowledge regarding trackage between Utah, Nevada, and Idaho - But if trains go south to Ogden and then head east, wouldn't that put them on the I-80 line towards either Donner Pass or Feather River Canyon for trains trying to get into the PNW?

SCUfoamer Wrote:
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> Please forgive my lack of knowledge regarding
> trackage between Utah, Nevada, and Idaho - But if
> trains go south to Ogden and then head east,
> wouldn't that put them on the I-80 line towards
> either Donner Pass or Feather River Canyon for
> trains trying to get into the PNW?

Donner Pass and the Feather River Canyon are both WEST of Ogden, Utah, not east.

In recent years there have been only one or two scheduled freights each way on the line between Ogden and McCammon, ID, so availability of qualified crews may limit the number of trains that could be detoured that way.  My guess is that priority traffic will be detoured - assuming there are no clearance issues - and other trains would be held.  I live about 1-1/2 hours from Talmage and will take a run over that way today for a look.  The back road that parallels the line at Talmage is pretty close to the tracks and might be closed, so not sure if I'll be able to get any pictures but we'll see what develops.

Bob
Thayne, WY 

Thank you Bob...Stealth is the word here...We look forward to your Stealthy pictures...Nyuck Nyuck...Stevie

goneon66 Wrote:
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> any word on the crew?
>
> 66

Crew was fine. They were taken to the hospital for a blood draw drug test since it was over the monetary threshold for a normal drug test, but that is just normal procedure. I dont think they will receive any blame.

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The drug tests should be taken in Omaha.

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ble692 Wrote:
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> MNPPD 16. Head 34 cars did not derail and were
> taken to Pocatello. Shows to have derailed 32
> cars. Train was 181 cars in total.

Another big ass, PSR train?

Perhaps top management are the ones who need to be tested for drugs.

edit: missed the previous post which expressed a similar idea.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/20 10:26 by ts1457.

This is one of those obscure parts of the UPrr system that is not obvious, I had to look it up just now to make sure. On a simple route map this area looks like a triangle, Ogden at the right angle and the derailment on the long side. Ogden is actually a crossroad with the old CP/SP, apparently when the Oregon railrods were added to the route map they were able build this long side of the triangle to bypass a lot of geology.

I don't know when it was built, but it's not part of the traditional  UP/CP/SP route that many folks think of first.I had to learn the hard way by driving to Ogden and finding very little traffic. The more  hear about it the more I'd like to check it out. The UP folks all know this, the west coast guys ...not so much.

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> > Since it was east of Pocatello, trains can run
> > south to Ogden and then east. Doubt you will
> see
> > any detours on the I-5 corridor.
>
> Please forgive my lack of knowledge regarding
> trackage between Utah, Nevada, and Idaho - But if
> trains go south to Ogden and then head east,
> wouldn't that put them on the I-80 line towards
> either Donner Pass or Feather River Canyon for
> trains trying to get into the PNW?

Green River to Pocatello (And points northwest) was/is known as the “Oregon Short Line”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Short_Line_Railroad

The line from Ogden to Pocatello, I do not know it’s former history.

The title of this thread reminds me of a story that used to make the rounds of railroad public relations people years ago that recounted an incident in which a PR Rep infamously described as a "routine major derailment".  Oy Vey!

JB - Omaha
 

Unfortunately routine is becoming routine for real. 

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MP683 Wrote:
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> The line from Ogden to Pocatello, I do not know
> it’s former history.

The Ogden to Pocatello line, the present day Ogden Subdivison was constructed by the Utah & Northern Railway between 1872 and 1878 as a narrow guage railroad.  It contined north into Montana as its the present day UP Montana Subdivision (reaching Butte in 1881).  The first 75 miles out of Odgen was built by the independent Utah Northern.  When it ran out of cash, the UP thru the Oregon Short Line purchased the line in April 1878 and began making improvements.  The entire line between south of Pocatello was converted to standard guage in 1890 (the northern half was done in 1887).  A significant portion of the center portion of this line was realigned as part of the standard guaging.

And to fill out the story, the track chart says the Oregon Short Line was built 1881-1882, between Granger, WY, on the Overland Route, and McCammon, ID, where the Ogden Sub joins for the final 20 miles to Pocatello.

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