Western Railroad Discussion > Biden admin presses unions, railroads to avoid shutdown (link)

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-chamber-commerce-calls-urgent-action-avoid-railroad-strike-2022-09-12/


Mr. MRL ~ < 76 hours...

Sorry Joe, this ain't Amtrak.

This is the big league and we're at the final table.

You're going to have to do a little better than that if you want to make a difference.

Depend on Congress to settle this?  Let's compare their work rules with the TE&Y staffs.

Out 

callum_out Wrote:
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> Depend on Congress to settle this?  Let's compare
> their work rules with the TE&Y staffs.

I'd settle for just their health insurance...

DevalDragon Wrote:
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> callum_out Wrote:
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> > Depend on Congress to settle this?  Let's
> compare
> > their work rules with the TE&Y staffs.
>
> I'd settle for just their health insurance...

Amen.

Their pension isn't bad, either.  The members of Congress age 62 and above vest their full pension benefits with just 5 years of service. That's a lot different than Railroad Retirement. Younger members of Congress vest with 20 and 25 years of service, but earn a partial pension with just five years.

> >
> > I'd settle for just their health insurance...
>
> Amen.
>
> Their pension isn't bad, either.  The members of
> Congress age 62 and above vest their full pension
> benefits with just 5 years of service. That's a
> lot different than Railroad Retirement. Younger
> members of Congress vest with 20 and 25 years of
> service, but earn a partial pension with just five
> years.

I think, not sure, the zillions of staffers get the same sweet deal.

I'd like to see the entire Federal Government, possible exception of Defense, put on Social Security and Medicare.  That might incentivize Congress to pay more attention to those.  It would also add to the contributing pool.

callum_out Wrote:
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> Depend on Congress to settle this?  Let's compare
> their work rules with the TE&Y staffs.
>

Let's have them make a meaningful HOS law. When you tie up, you know when you're going to work. things happen, so make that within two hours. Two days off in seven. that's off, not subject to call. That's 48 hours undisturbed rest upon completion of a trip the day before rest day...at the home terminal.

I have always maintained that railroading requires the employee to be 100% present. "Minor" illness, family trouble, and such make one too distracted. The ability to lay off a certain number of hours or days per month, for example, should be part of the HOS law.

TAW

I've talked about the Euro 6 month fixed schedules which are impossble here, amazing how it's possible there and 
not possible here. Guess the complete lack of planning and coherent HOS policy makes a lot of things impossible.

Out 

If they're counting on the Biden Admin to settle anything, they'll be sadly disappointed.  Biden lied to the oil pipeline unions 3 days before the elections, then turned around and did the exact opposite of what he promised.  They haven't forgotten.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/22 21:15 by Curt.

Curt Wrote:
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> If they're counting on the Biden Admin to settle
> anything, they'll be sadly disappointed.  Biden
> lied to the oil pipeline unions 3 days before the
> elections, then turned around and did the exact
> opposite of what he promised.  They haven't
> forgotten.

Completely unrelated.

Railroad unions are quite different than these "oil pipeline unions" you mentioned.

And, of course, the RLA makes a night and day difference as well.

Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> DevalDragon Wrote:
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> > callum_out Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Depend on Congress to settle this?  Let's
> > compare
> > > their work rules with the TE&Y staffs.
> >
> > I'd settle for just their health insurance...
>
> Amen.
>
> Their pension isn't bad, either.  The members of
> Congress age 62 and above vest their full pension
> benefits with just 5 years of service. That's a
> lot different than Railroad Retirement. Younger
> members of Congress vest with 20 and 25 years of
> service, but earn a partial pension with just five
> years.


Plus don't forget they can double dip..triple dip.. Most of them have pensions from cities, states, federal government etc. Without losing a dime or having to pay back 1 dollar for every 2 earned.. Plus lifetime healthcare etc..

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TAW Wrote:
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> callum_out Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Depend on Congress to settle this?  Let's
> compare
> > their work rules with the TE&Y staffs.
> >
>
> Let's have them make a meaningful HOS law. When
> you tie up, you know when you're going to work.
> things happen, so make that within two hours. Two
> days off in seven. that's off, not subject to
> call. That's 48 hours undisturbed rest upon
> completion of a trip the day before rest day...at
> the home terminal.
>
> I have always maintained that railroading requires
> the employee to be 100% present. "Minor" illness,
> family trouble, and such make one too distracted.
> The ability to lay off a certain number of hours
> or days per month, for example, should be part of
> the HOS law.
>
> TAW

This makes so much sense that if any Company Leaders read it, you may well find yourself
the target of goons hired by certain carriers to persuade you not to publish such logic.

If any railroad managers are suspected of agreeing with you, they are out the door.

Seventyfive Wrote:
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> TAW Wrote:
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> > callum_out Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Depend on Congress to settle this?  Let's
> > compare
> > > their work rules with the TE&Y staffs.
> > >
> >
> > Let's have them make a meaningful HOS law. When
> > you tie up, you know when you're going to work.
> > things happen, so make that within two hours.
> Two
> > days off in seven. that's off, not subject to
> > call. That's 48 hours undisturbed rest upon
> > completion of a trip the day before rest
> day...at
> > the home terminal.
> >
> > I have always maintained that railroading
> requires
> > the employee to be 100% present. "Minor"
> illness,
> > family trouble, and such make one too
> distracted.
> > The ability to lay off a certain number of
> hours
> > or days per month, for example, should be part
> of
> > the HOS law.
> >
> > TAW
>
> This makes so much sense that if any Company
> Leaders read it, you may well find yourself
> the target of goons hired by certain carriers to
> persuade you not to publish such logic.
>
> If any railroad managers are suspected of agreeing
> with you, they are out the door.

He knows it Seventyfive, he just ain’t scared… 👍

Solidarity and regards.

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