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Date: 02/26/24 15:15
Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: brc600




Date: 02/26/24 15:26
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: GenePoon

CHICAGO — Metra trains are back up and running after they were halted and delayed Monday.

Earlier Metra reported that a “positive train control system outage” was causing issues to several lines including Union Pacific North, Milwaukee District North, Union Pacific Northwest, Milwaukee District West, Southwest, Rock Island and Metra Electric.

As of 2:30 p.m. Metra’s website said movement had been restored.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/metra-train-lines-stopped-delayed-due-to-control-system-outage/



Date: 02/26/24 15:33
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: brc600

The media sensationalizes things like the world is coming to an end,



Date: 02/26/24 16:06
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: radar

brc600 Wrote:
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> The media sensationalizes things like the world is
> coming to an end,

Did you read the same story I did?  I find it to be factual, brief, and to the point.  Please explain what you find to be sensationalized in it



Date: 02/27/24 01:47
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: VibramRR

They know their audience. 



Date: 02/27/24 04:39
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: Englewood

Sad that we cannot operate without something we operated without for 150 years.



Date: 02/27/24 05:35
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: ns1000

Englewood Wrote:
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> Sad that we cannot operate without something we
> operated without for 150 years.


Lol....as I've said before, just open up your pockets and wait.

Posted from Android



Date: 02/27/24 06:52
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: longliveSP

Englewood Wrote:
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> Sad that we cannot operate without something we
> operated without for 150 years.

Do you enjoy electricity in your house? (In 1925 only have the homes in the US had electricity.)
Do you enjoy running water in your house? (Running water and indoor plumbing became widely available in the late 1920's and early 1930's.)
Do you enjoy driving a motor vehicle? (The first mass produced internal combustion motored vehicle in the US was in 1908.)

I am sure you would rather go back to the era of kids having to walk 5 miles to school everyday, up hill both ways, in the morning trudging through 4 feet of snow and in afternoon in 99 degree weather.



Date: 02/27/24 07:05
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: engineerinvirginia

You can run. in a PTC failure...once the dispatcher gets the word from PTC desk that the system is borked, he will tell you to stay logged in...if possible....and proceed....you will know when the system comes up....then you stop, and see if the system needs you to initialize again, or maybe you can just cut in to active state....depends on what type a failure it was. PTC is not a nuclear bomb waiting to go off...in fact it's pretty much a joke as an enforcement tool. 



Date: 02/27/24 07:25
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: ns1000

longliveSP Wrote:
-------------------------------------
>
> Do you enjoy electricity in your house? (In 1925
> only have the homes in the US had electricity.)
> Do you enjoy running water in your house? (Running
> water and indoor plumbing became widely available
> in the late 1920's and early 1930's.)
> Do you enjoy driving a motor vehicle? (The first
> mass produced internal combustion motored vehicle
> in the US was in 1908.)
>
> I am sure you would rather go back to the era of
> kids having to walk 5 miles to school everyday, up
> hill both ways, in the morning trudging through 4
> feet of snow and in afternoon in 99 degree
> weather.


Sigh....contrary to popular belief, PTC is NOT the best thing since sliced bread. Failures are MORE common than you might think.

Posted from Android



Date: 02/27/24 07:42
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: JasonCNW

longliveSP Wrote:
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> Englewood Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sad that we cannot operate without something we
> > operated without for 150 years.
>
> Do you enjoy electricity in your house? (In 1925
> only have the homes in the US had electricity.)
> Do you enjoy running water in your house? (Running
> water and indoor plumbing became widely available
> in the late 1920's and early 1930's.)
> Do you enjoy driving a motor vehicle? (The first
> mass produced internal combustion motored vehicle
> in the US was in 1908.)
>
> I am sure you would rather go back to the era of
> kids having to walk 5 miles to school everyday, up
> hill both ways, in the morning trudging through 4
> feet of snow and in afternoon in 99 degree
> weather.


Ok what does that have to do wirh anything PTC related??????   Also most of those lines ex CNW for example had 1920's technology cab signals which safley operated those commuter trains without them crashing into each other for many years.
Sorry but PTC is a joke, its goverments answer to a railroads problem that should of been taken care of by the railroads a diffrent way a long time ago.  Its not the saving grace most people say it is.
JC



Date: 02/27/24 08:01
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: ns1000

engineerinvirginia Wrote:
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> You can run. in a PTC failure...once the
> dispatcher gets the word from PTC desk that the
> system is borked, he will tell you to stay logged
> in...if possible....and proceed....you will know
> when the system comes up....then you stop, and see
> if the system needs you to initialize again, or
> maybe you can just cut in to active
> state....depends on what type a failure it was.
> PTC is not a nuclear bomb waiting to go off...in
> fact it's pretty much a joke as an enforcement
> tool. 


"Waiting for further instructions" can be just as entertaining (I could use some other words).....

Posted from Android



Date: 02/27/24 08:15
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: tomstp

I hate it that nearly everything is now dependent on computers.  Enemies could easily shut down the whole country.



Date: 02/27/24 08:18
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: engineerinvirginia

tomstp Wrote:
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> I hate it that nearly everything is now dependent
> on computers.  Enemies could easily shut down the
> whole country.

I am sure at some point they will try...and I hope all the people who think are in charge can remember when it wasn't all done with computers, so that we can keep on going.



Date: 02/27/24 08:18
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: PHall

tomstp Wrote:
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> I hate it that nearly everything is now dependent
> on computers.  Enemies could easily shut down the
> whole country.

You just now figure that out?  They've been fighting the Russian, Chinese and North Korean hackers trying to do that for about 20 plus years now...



Date: 02/27/24 08:46
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: longliveSP

ns1000 Wrote:
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> longliveSP Wrote:
> -------------------------------------
> >
> > Do you enjoy electricity in your house? (In
> 1925
> > only have the homes in the US had electricity.)
> > Do you enjoy running water in your house?
> (Running
> > water and indoor plumbing became widely
> available
> > in the late 1920's and early 1930's.)
> > Do you enjoy driving a motor vehicle? (The
> first
> > mass produced internal combustion motored
> vehicle
> > in the US was in 1908.)
> >
> > I am sure you would rather go back to the era
> of
> > kids having to walk 5 miles to school everyday,
> up
> > hill both ways, in the morning trudging through
> 4
> > feet of snow and in afternoon in 99 degree
> > weather.
>
>
> Sigh....contrary to popular belief, PTC is NOT the
> best thing since sliced bread. Failures are MORE
> common than you might think.

I never said it was. But then again, that is not what I was responding to either. Just love it when people twist things to meet their agenda.



Date: 02/27/24 08:48
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: longliveSP

JasonCNW Wrote:
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> longliveSP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Englewood Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Sad that we cannot operate without something
> we
> > > operated without for 150 years.
> >
> > Do you enjoy electricity in your house? (In
> 1925
> > only have the homes in the US had electricity.)
> > Do you enjoy running water in your house?
> (Running
> > water and indoor plumbing became widely
> available
> > in the late 1920's and early 1930's.)
> > Do you enjoy driving a motor vehicle? (The
> first
> > mass produced internal combustion motored
> vehicle
> > in the US was in 1908.)
> >
> > I am sure you would rather go back to the era
> of
> > kids having to walk 5 miles to school everyday,
> up
> > hill both ways, in the morning trudging through
> 4
> > feet of snow and in afternoon in 99 degree
> > weather.
>
>
> Ok what does that have to do wirh anything PTC
> related?????? 

Another person not bothering to comprehend and understand. Englewood wants to go back to the way things were 150 years ago. 



Date: 02/27/24 09:16
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: ns1000

Englewood was referring to the fact that the rail industry survived just fine WITHOUT PTC for 150 years.

Please reread his statement.

For the record, many of us have sat through these PTC failures. Enough said.

Posted from Android



Date: 02/27/24 09:19
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: TAW

longliveSP Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Englewood Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sad that we cannot operate without something we
> > operated without for 150 years.
>
> Do you enjoy electricity in your house? (In 1925
> only have the homes in the US had electricity.)
> Do you enjoy running water in your house? (Running
> water and indoor plumbing became widely available
> in the late 1920's and early 1930's.)
> Do you enjoy driving a motor vehicle? (The first
> mass produced internal combustion motored vehicle
> in the US was in 1908.)
>
> I am sure you would rather go back to the era of
> kids having to walk 5 miles to school everyday, up
> hill both ways, in the morning trudging through 4
> feet of snow and in afternoon in 99 degree
> weather.

There is a big difference between enjoying conveniences that technoilogy has afforded and being so dependent that one can't function without them. Folks who live in severe weather prone areas have experienced electricity, water, and motor vehicle failures and managed to continue day to day activities.

TAW



Date: 02/27/24 12:05
Re: Metra Chicago massive PTC system failures
Author: SP4360

If the internet went down for a week, Gen Z(ero) would walk off a cliff, if they could find one.

TAW Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> longliveSP Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Englewood Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Sad that we cannot operate without something
> we
> > > operated without for 150 years.
> >
> > Do you enjoy electricity in your house? (In
> 1925
> > only have the homes in the US had electricity.)
> > Do you enjoy running water in your house?
> (Running
> > water and indoor plumbing became widely
> available
> > in the late 1920's and early 1930's.)
> > Do you enjoy driving a motor vehicle? (The
> first
> > mass produced internal combustion motored
> vehicle
> > in the US was in 1908.)
> >
> > I am sure you would rather go back to the era
> of
> > kids having to walk 5 miles to school everyday,
> up
> > hill both ways, in the morning trudging through
> 4
> > feet of snow and in afternoon in 99 degree
> > weather.
>
> There is a big difference between enjoying
> conveniences that technoilogy has afforded and
> being so dependent that one can't function without
> them. Folks who live in severe weather prone areas
> have experienced electricity, water, and motor
> vehicle failures and managed to continue day to
> day activities.
>
> TAW



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