Steam & Excursion > Whose Am I - non-wheel edition

OK gang - whose am I?

What would be the actual technical term for a smoke box door? 
Smoke box door, lol?

Have at it:

/Mitch


 

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Mitch, I need a hint.  Where did you take the photo?  Marty

MartyBernard Wrote:
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> Mitch, I need a hint.  Where did you take the
> photo?  Marty

Now, now - that would be cheating, lol.

Tell you what, Marty - IF TO member NHIWWRR wants
to offer up first letter of the state this smoke box cover 
is seen above, I'll accept that, and acknowledge his guess
as correct, lol.

/Mitch

Where?
Ed K.

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O.K.  Now we have a pair.  Anybody with a spare?

m1bprr Wrote:
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> Where?
> Ed K.

Well - I'd like to say:
"That's Steamtown's Baldwin #26, now cut it
out and let's get back to the first one!", but
it's not #26.  My guess, confirm if so, would
be that each of these smoke box doors today
share the same stable.

/Mitch

Just for clarity...

A 'door' has hinges...
In these cases, the door is mounted onto the smokebox FRONT.

( Shut the FRONT DOOR! )...

W.


(What's with the wedge shaped patch on the door in pic #1?)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/21/16 14:37 by wcamp1472.

2-8-2 #37 at Strasburg?

wcamp1472 Wrote:
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> Just for clarity...
>
> A 'door' has hinges...
> In these cases, the door is mounted onto the
> smokebox FRONT.
>
> ( Shut the FRONT DOOR! )...
>
> W.

That's your idea of "clarity"?  Lol.

OK - I see the obvious now.  The smoke box "front"
or can we say, "cover",  while it does have hinges
is not hinged to the smoke box.

So - we have a smokebox "front" or "cover" vs the
inner plate which is in fact, a smokebox door.


> (What's with the wedge shaped patch on the door in
> pic #1?)

Odd - your question does not show unless I use it as
a quote.  Interesting observation - the patch.  I wonder
what the cause was, and when.  And if it will remain
visible once restored to operation.  (there's a hint for
you Marty).

/Mitch

Bridge60 Wrote:
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> 2-8-2 #37 at Strasburg?

Looks like we'll need to clarify which smoke box cover (or is it "front")
that we are talking about - either way, I do not beleive Ed's pic is #37
and I know it's not the cover for my pic.

/Mitch

The patch 'speculation'...

Might be that cinder cutting has eaten away the area on the inside of the door..... Thus a temporary repair was made by adding  a wedge shaped patch to the inside of the door.  Rather than replacing the whole door.

Sorta looks like a riveted repair, can't see any obvious stick-welding lines in the area...
That cinder-cut area inside the door might be quite thin.... Keeping the smokebox vacuum tight is critical to being able to create a strong draft through the firebox....the worn thin area might have flexed too much, weakening the frontend draft.

I've seen patches on the smoke box front, where a flue, or two, was extracted and renewed, but never on a door which would be easy to open, if needed for a couple of failed flues.

( One time [1970?] in Baltimore, before a light move to Hagerstown, NKP 759 had a 1958-installed ( safe-ended) flue let go!
Had about 225 PSI on her, the back draft immediately smothered the fire, the water shot up the brick arch---washing the rear door sheet,  as well as flooded the smoke box and came running back to the grates thru the other, low down tubes---- made a continuous burbling noise, filled the cab with cold steam, fog-like ------ and the coal on the grates was a soggy, wet slurry....
RR jumped in the cab, grabbed the grate's shaker bar and proceeded to dump the 'fire'..... We wondered what all the excitement was about.  RR then looked puzzled and soon joined in the laughter.... The soggy, cold coal was now all in the ash pan....Oh, well.

We got towed to Hagerstown ( by special move), boilermaker Karal, cut a small circle in the smokebox front, down low, and we fed the tube pieces out the hole, rolled in-place a new, one-piece tube, welded up Joe's hole and soon was ready to GO.  
Complete with steam-cleaned finger grates!  759 still wears Joe's little patch, to this day...).🙄

W.






 



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m1bprr Wrote:
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> Where?
> Ed K.

Now do we know.
Ed K.


 

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m1bprr Wrote:
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> m1bprr Wrote:
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> > Where?
> > Ed K.
>
> Now do we know.
> Ed K.

You should've held out longer, Ed!

CNJ #113 - Minersville, PA, of course.

Moving on.... still looking for the answer
to the first smoke box cover!

Hint - the locomotive was built new for a
railroad in Pennsylvania.

/Mitch

 

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I'll stay the course... Reading 1187 at Strasburg?

The first smoke box front is rather unusual in that it looks like it was originally on a smaller locomotive, then had a ring installed around the outside to fit it on a bigger boiler.  I've never seen a two piece door ring riveted together like that. The added piece used about half as many studs into the smoke box........

Earlk Wrote:
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> The first smoke box front is rather unusual in
> that it looks like it was originally on a smaller
> locomotive, then had a ring installed around the
> outside to fit it on a bigger boiler.  I've never
> seen a two piece door ring riveted together like
> that. The added piece used about half as many
> studs into the smoke box........

Another interesting observation!

Bridge60 Wrote:
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> I'll stay the course... Reading 1187 at Strasburg?

Nope!

I'll add that not was the locomotive made for a railroad
in Pennaylvania, but the locomotive IS currently in
Pennsylvania as well.

/Mitch

H&BT #38

"I'll add that not was the locomotive made for a
> railroad
> in Pennaylvania, but the locomotive IS currently
> in
> Pennsylvania as well...."

Try this wording..

"I'll add that not ONLY was the locomotive made for a ...."

W.

wcamp1472 Wrote:
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> "I'll add that not was the locomotive made for a
> railroad Pennaylvania, but the locomotive IS
> currently in Pennsylvania as well...."
>
> Try this wording..
> "I'll add that not ONLY was the locomotive made
> for a ...."
>
> W.

Shut the front door!  Lol - thanks, obviously what I
meant!

NathanaelHancock Wrote:
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> H&BT #38

BINGO!

Captured back in September while still at the WMSR.

Baldwin Locomotive Works 1927 2-8-0 built for the
Huntingdon & Broad Top Mountain Railroad.  Now at
the Everett Railroad undergoing a restoration to operation.

More info here:
http://www.everettrailroad.com/railfans/38.aspx

/Mitch
 

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Looking at the photos of #38 on the Everett railroad's website, the smokebox door patch is visible on the 1954 image, but not evident on the 1950 image.

Luke