Steam & Excursion > C&O 2-8-4 No. 2727 photo

Just because I took it and was able to process it, lol:

C&O's 2-8-4 Berkshire No. 2727 as seen early one morning on July 20th, in 2014.

You don't see many pics of her - nor hear much about her.  She's not easy to
photograph though June seems to be the time if you can snag a shot right before
their 4 PM closing time or make a visit on a cloudy day.

Built by Alco for the C&O in 1944 and donated to the Museum of Transportation in
St Louis (Kirkwood), MO in 1956.

/Mitch
 

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 Great photo!  Good to see the museum has the engine under rooof and maintains it well.
ALLEN

C & O had handsome engines.

On the C&O they were called 'K4 Mikes', the Company name for them was Kanawah, after the river
( say " cuh-NAW'...)

Virtually the same boiler and firebox and drivers as the flat-land Berks, ---- but with 27" Pistons, booster equipped......truly a BEAST! They often romped with passenger trains, too.

Several of the last ones built had all-welded boilers.... in the 2780-series...a few of the 'survivors' were scrapped in the 1970s
Any survive?  

W.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/17 01:41 by wcamp1472.

2789 survives at North Judson, IN with an all-welded boiler.

Rob

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What's that behind it? NKP Hudson?

CPR_4000 Wrote:
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> What's that behind it? NKP Hudson?

Yep NKP Hudson #170

wcamp1472 Wrote:
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"...Virtually the same boiler and firebox and drivers as the flat-land Berks..."

Close, but no cigar!

When we ran the 2716 in 1996, the FWRHS boiler guys needed to replace a few staybolts. No problem, we figured, we have lots of them in stock for the 765. We thought the same as you - it's the same boiler, right?

WRONG!

Our 765 staybolts were 1-inch too short! We found that there is 1-inch more water space between the inner and outer side sheets on the 2716 than there is on the 765. The boilers are very close, but not identical.

Tough to shoot this old girl.  This is the best I could do during the high sun hours.  
 

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Rich_Melvin Wrote:
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> Our 765 staybolts were 1-inch too short! We found
> that there is 1-inch more water space between the
> inner and outer side sheets on the 2716 than there
> is on the 765. The boilers are very close, but not
> identical.

Why?  Curious now that it's been brought up - I assumed
without having cause till now to research it any further that
all the 2-8-4's from the NKP, the C&O and Pere Marquette
would have been nearly identical - were the modifications
between them running improvements, specific requests
from the operating lines or other reasons?  What other
railroads had Lima 2-8-4's?  L&N?

/Mitch

Mitch, the list of roads that had Lima berks is a long one, DT&I, Erie, Pere Marquette, Boston and Maine, Boston and Albany, L&N, Virginian, RF&P, Mopac, IC, and Santa Fe got some second hand from Boston and Maine near the end of WWII. 

Finderskeepers Wrote:
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> Mitch, the list of roads that had Lima berks is a
> long one, DT&I, Erie....

Wait, y'mean we can bring back the Erie?!?!?   ; )

/Mitch

Rich_Melvin Wrote:
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> wcamp1472 Wrote:
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> "...Virtually the same boiler and firebox and
> drivers as the flat-land Berks..."
>
> Close, but no cigar!
>
> When we ran the 2716 in 1996, the FWRHS boiler
> guys needed to replace a few staybolts. No
> problem, we figured, we have lots of them in stock
> for the 765. We thought the same as you - it's the
> same boiler, right?
>
> WRONG!
>
> Our 765 staybolts were 1-inch too short! We found
> that there is 1-inch more water space between the
> inner and outer side sheets on the 2716 than there
> is on the 765. The boilers are very close, but not
> identical.

Could the difference be a ALCO VS Lima thing?  Perhaps ALCO used slightly different measurements to get the same basic unit?