Steam & Excursion > T1 Trust purchases 16 wheel long haul tender

https://prrt1steamlocomotivetrust.org/station/index.php?route=tinfo/tinfo

Great news! That's a big step!

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Good to hear. Is this the same as the T1 tender, without streamlining?

CPR_4000 Wrote:
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> Good to hear. Is this the same as the T1 tender,
> without streamlining?

Pretty much, as it is a "freight" tender, probably from a J1 2-10-4. Probably will not take much "sheet metal" work to make it into a correct looking T-1 tender.

Info from the Western New York site:
Was from an M1.

The tender was converted to one large water tank by the Pennsy before the HRCV Corp. recieved ownership before the Society. The stoker and the ubiquitous "Dog House" were removed presumably to facilitate its conversion...

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It would have cost 3 million to built it from scratch???

Victor A. Baird
http://www.erstwhilepublications.com

wabash2800 Wrote:
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> It would have cost 3 million to built it from
> scratch???
>
> Victor A. Baird

Certainly wouldn't surprise me. Just consider the structure of that frame required to support something over 200 tons when fully loaded with coal & water (about 200,000 lbs for over 20,000 gallons of water alone).

Is this the same tender that was stored out in Chicago behind GTW 5629 in the 70's?

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amazing

HotWater Wrote:
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> Certainly wouldn't surprise me. Just consider the
> structure of that frame . . .

In the past few years I remember a discussion here or on RYPN about a 16-wheel PRR tender frame that was in use at a steel mill in eastern PA. Coatesville, maybe?

I believe this was used as storage tank.
I last saw it (1972?) at the old PRR roundhouse in Hagerstown, MD. Painted service-train yellow, well faded, and "weathered to scale".

These are cast, one-piece, 'water-bottom' tenders with 8- wheel,trucks.
I will recommend that the cistern be entirely replaced, from the frame, up, with an all welded, smoothside tender.
That the truck's be entirely removed & re-built ....all new pins & bushings, etc, as well as all new wheels, axles and Timken, type GG ( cartridge-type) rotating end cap roller bearings and adapters, all new draft gear, and current practice, passenger car coupler.

We'll remove the water scoop and the steam heat supply connector to the train, as well as the PRR inductive telephone antenna and coils.

Of course, my advice would have more weight, AFTER I win the Big One....$750,000,000.00
$25Mil would be Chump Change.....and that would build complete 3- locos, and 2-complete trainsets (17- cars each) of 1st Class Seating & Eating cars,
steam -turbine HEP, coaches with dynamic braking, and full-time paid staff.

Ha.!!

Wes.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/20/17 12:26 by wcamp1472.

did you buy many tickets, can i get a job with you?

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Send your resumay

W.

There are pictures floating around if this long haul tender coupled behind the Wilmington & Western's 0-6-0T #3 in the Marshallton Yard, sometime in the 1980s when 3 was under steam.

#3, this tender and a bunch of other "hanger queens" left the W&W in the early 1990s when they started to clean house of all the excess equipment.

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wcamp1472 Wrote:
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> I will recommend that the cistern be entirely
> replaced, from the frame, up, with an all welded,
> smoothside tender.
> That the truck's be entirely removed & re-built
> ....all new pins & bushings, etc, as well as all
> new wheels, axles and Timken, type GG (
> cartridge-type) rotating end cap roller bearings
> and adapters, all new draft gear, and current
> practice, passenger car coupler.

So basically the Trust bought a water bottom frame and two truck frames, since 80% of what is there will be disposed of.

Rick Rowlands
Hubbard, OH
Youngstown Steel Heritage

Rick,

That's my opinion ONLY.

The actual route decided will be made upon completion of further studies and balance sheet justifications...
A lot of my ramble is tongue-in-cheek.. but, subtle humor

Ultimately, The Trust will make all those-type decisions..

Wes

It was the Hagerstown fuel tank. The PRR converted a number of the 210F75 tenders to this use. This one at Hagerstown another at Reading Pa. Two additional at Waverly in Northern NJ. I believe that the Hagerstown tender was off a M1.I know the Reading one was off a M1. It was cut up after Hurricane Agnes flooded the Reading area in 1972. It was used as a diesel fuel tank while in Reading. The T-'s had a 180P84 tender . 18,000 gallons of water , passenger equiped and had a 84'' deck height. --- Ken



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No doubt it will save the T-1 project a couple of million dollars. I can't imagine what those 8-wheel Commonwealth trucks would have cost to have cast new. The only other 8-wheel Commonwealth trucks I know of are under the Queen Mary depressed center flat car at the Railroaders Memorial Museum at Altoona.