Steam & Excursion > OTD: SP 2-8-8-4 'Yellowstone' #3800 (1940)

With a name given this model by the NP, here's Southern Pacific's version of a Yellowstone on March 23, 1940 @ El Paso, TX  .... note the striped pilot.

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Here she is brand new at the factory.

Martin

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LoggerHogger Wrote:
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> Here she is brand new at the factory.
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> Martin

Thanks for that pic .... do you know how long these were in service on the SP?

Does anyone know what the triangular piece is hanging off of the ash pan above the rear driver?

kbarnett Wrote:
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> Does anyone know what the triangular piece is
> hanging off of the ash pan above the rear driver?

That is one of the three ash hoppers needed on such a big firebox/ash pan. One ash hopper on each side, and one larger one in the middle, between the wheels.

If I'm not mistaken, all the AC cab forwards were built by Baldwin, yet these were built by Lima. I wonder why this one order didn't go to Baldwin?

CPR_4000 Wrote:
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> If I'm not mistaken, all the AC cab forwards were
> built by Baldwin, yet these were built by Lima. I
> wonder why this one order didn't go to Baldwin?

One could reply that they went to Baldwin when they were looking for backward designs, but decided to go with Lima when they needed forward thinkers.

But I won't do it.

Mary McPherson
Dongola, IL
Diverging Clear Productions

MaryMcPherson Wrote:
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> CPR_4000 Wrote:
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> > If I'm not mistaken, all the AC cab forwards
> were
> > built by Baldwin, yet these were built by Lima.
> I
> > wonder why this one order didn't go to Baldwin?
>
> One could reply that they went to Baldwin when
> they were looking for backward designs, but
> decided to go with Lima when they needed forward
> thinkers.
>
> But I won't do it.

Probably had more to do with the success that both Alco and Lima were having with "super power" designs, and the success that SP was having with their Lima 4-8-4s. Besides, did Baldwin even have/offer a 2-8-8-4 super power model?

Jack: 

Who built the B&O EM-1, 2-8-8-4?
Who built the iron ore haulers for DM& IR, 2-8-8-4?

 Yes, Baldwin built many..

Wes..

valmont Wrote:
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> LoggerHogger Wrote:
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> > Here she is brand new at the factory.
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> > Martin
>
> Thanks for that pic .... do you know how long
> these were in service on the SP?

All twelve vacated betwen 6/12/53 (3800) and 7/22/55 (3808).  Last two (3804-5) sold for scrap 5/27/56 to California Metals, Pittsburg.  Info from Diebert & Strapac's SP Steam Locomotive Compendium

Thanks utwazoo! 
 

HotWater Wrote:
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> Probably had more to do with the success that both
> Alco and Lima were having with "super power"
> designs, and the success that SP was having with
> their Lima 4-8-4s. Besides, did Baldwin even
> have/offer a 2-8-8-4 super power model?

Of course.

I was being silly.  In real life, I produce enough corn I'm on the Redenbacher Christmas card list.

Mary McPherson
Dongola, IL
Diverging Clear Productions

HotWater Wrote:
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> MaryMcPherson Wrote:
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> > CPR_4000 Wrote:
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> > > If I'm not mistaken, all the AC cab forwards
> > were
> > > built by Baldwin, yet these were built by
> Lima.
> > I
> > > wonder why this one order didn't go to
> Baldwin?
> >
> > One could reply that they went to Baldwin when
> > they were looking for backward designs, but
> > decided to go with Lima when they needed
> forward
> > thinkers.
> >
> > But I won't do it.
>
> Probably had more to do with the success that both
> Alco and Lima were having with "super power"
> designs, and the success that SP was having with
> their Lima 4-8-4s. Besides, did Baldwin even
> have/offer a 2-8-8-4 super power model?

You mean the AC-12 did not fall into a "super power" category?

The end of the line, at the scrapyard on Terminal Island in L.A. Harbor.  Sorry, I don't know the engine numbers or the date.

Eugene Crowner

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I am not affiliated with anyone, but I recently got a new softcover book on the AC-9s called "Southern Pacific's Streamlined Articulateds The Iconic AC-9 Class" that is pretty good.  We had these up here in Northern Nevada running on the Modoc line after they were converted to oil - there are some great shots and a lot of builder's information.  I've always liked this class - Daylight GS-4s and AC-9s were both built by Lima.
Joel Kirk

Shafty Wrote:
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> The end of the line, at the scrapyard on Terminal
> Island in L.A. Harbor.  Sorry, I don't know the
> engine numbers or the date.
>
> Eugene Crowner

Eight of the twelve were scrapped in the LA Harbor area.  These two may be 3801, 3811 as both scrapped at National Metals on 3/4/55, and I recall NM was on Terminal Island. Enlarging the number plate in your first photo makes it look like 3811.  Purdy(2)  and Luria(4) scrapped another six at LA harbor area.   btw,  the 3800 was scrapped at El Paso (presumably by the SP) on 7/29/53   SP also scrapped 3810 at Sacramento.   Source:  Diebert & Strapac SP Steam Loco Compendium



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/23/19 11:52 by utwazoo.

A magnificent machine!!

wcamp1472 Wrote:
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> Jack: 
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> Who built the B&O EM-1, 2-8-8-4?

OK, Baldwin,,,,,,,but when?

> Who built the iron ore haulers for DM& IR,
> 2-8-8-4?

Baldwin also, but when?

>  Yes, Baldwin built many..

But when, compared to the SP AC-9 locomotives?


> Wes..

DMIR   M 3 = 1941,   M4, = 1943

B&O. 1944..

from Wiki pedia   ( Yellowstone locos..)

Wes

 

wcamp1472 Wrote:
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> Jack: 
>
> Who built the B&O EM-1, 2-8-8-4?
> Who built the iron ore haulers for DM& IR,
> 2-8-8-4?
>
>  Yes, Baldwin built many..
>
> Wes..

The DM&IR 2-8-8-4s were actually based on WP 251 class 2-8-8-2s.  They got the 4 wheel trailing truck due to the weight of the all weather cabs the Missabe requested, so they were not a specific 2-8-8-4 design.

Haven't seen anyone mention the nickname I've always heard for these SP engines: "Gila Monsters"

Z