Steam & Excursion > derailments

With 4014 experiencing this, would someone address situations,  causes and solutions?  Can the crew  be at fault for a derailment?

How common is this in everyday railroading?  



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/19 15:44 by dougd.

My GUESS is just some bad track, and probably not the crew's fault in any way.  

Minor derailments are every day occurrences.

6088 Wrote:
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> My GUESS is just some bad track, and probably not
> the crew's fault in any way.  
>
> Minor derailments are every day occurrences.

Seconded.

A Big Boy, or any large steam locomotive, presents more stress than most other-than-main tracks are subjected to on a day to day basis.  Got a bad spot. that locomotive is more likely to have a disagreement with it than the everyday freight cars and locomotives... and sometimes they go sideways too.

Mary McPherson
Dongola, IL
Diverging Clear Productions

SP&S derailed on a side track a few years back as did 4449.  Fixed but tourist trips
were interrupted.

dougd Wrote:
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> Can the
> crew  be at fault for a derailment?

Nobody tried to blame the crew when 765 hit the dirt recently.

It's common and not a big deal.

dougd Wrote:
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> With 4014 experiencing this, would someone address
> situations,  causes and solutions?  Can the
> crew  be at fault for a derailment?
>
> How common is this in everyday railroading?  

Why is it some people are so quick to want to find some one to blame.

Shit happens, end of story.

jst3751 Wrote:
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> dougd Wrote:
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> > With 4014 experiencing this, would someone
> address
> > situations,  causes and solutions?  Can the
> > crew  be at fault for a derailment?
> >
> > How common is this in everyday railroading?  
>
> Why is it some people are so quick to want to find
> some one to blame.
>
> Shit happens, end of story.

Well, for what it's worth, the 4000s were restricted from many sidings and yard tracks, back in the old days. Thus, it was/is best to stay off such tracks.

Emmo213 Wrote:
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> dougd Wrote:
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> > Can the
> > crew  be at fault for a derailment?
>
> Nobody tried to blame the crew when 765 hit the
> dirt recently.
>
> It's common and not a big deal.

Agreed. 

jst3751 Wrote:
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> dougd Wrote:
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> > With 4014 experiencing this, would someone
> address
> > situations,  causes and solutions?  Can the
> > crew  be at fault for a derailment?
> >
> > How common is this in everyday railroading?  
>
> Why is it some people are so quick to want to find
> some one to blame.
>
> Shit happens, end of story.

Well generally "S---" doesn't just happen.  Even being hit by lightning isnt shit happens if you are out on an open field. This might be minor but guess it could have been worse.  Would be bad if heavy equipment would be needed. 
Questions to ask:  Was this the planned siding to be used. 
Derailment was slight, so were they creeping through because siding was suspect.  Was it properly inspected.  Excellent condition or OK? Was there that creaking, limping feeling you get from bad track.

Bob

jst3751 Wrote:
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> dougd Wrote:
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> > With 4014 experiencing this, would someone
> address
> > situations,  causes and solutions?  Can the
> > crew  be at fault for a derailment?
> >
> > How common is this in everyday railroading?  
>
> Why is it some people are so quick to want to find
> some one to blame.
>
> Shit happens, end of story.

You are obviously not employed by class one carrier.  My carriers motto?  Accidents are 100% preventable.  And if such a laughable assertion is to be believed, then in all such cases of accidents, there must be someone or something responsible.  Let the finger pointing commence.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/16/19 19:58 by UnitAlarm.

Great point Jack, a little research might have found this out when doing extensive trip planning. We both know folks who normally did this with 844 and 3985. Hopefully 4014 gets the same level of research. And yes a derailment is something that every railroad deals with frequently. When I worked for the Great Western it was a normal, mostly minor deal to rerail. Had to use the crane one time as it was quicker as crane was in very close proximity and quicker than rigging blocks and jacks.

Don Allender

It only takes one bad place that only could be detected by running that engine over it.  Seems that one steam excursion had a car derail in the yard at Pasco WA no big deal but provides rail fans with seeing how a railroad works.

Six inches and stop. Check blocks. Six inches and stop. Repeat until back on.

BAB Wrote:
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> It only takes one bad place that only could be
> detected by running that engine over it.  Seems
> that one steam excursion had a car derail in the
> yard at Pasco WA no big deal but provides rail
> fans with seeing how a railroad works.

That car had split a swirtch on that 700 excursion. It made a lot of noise when it happened from what I remember.

-Fred-

Well, lets find someone to blame.  That's how it works in today's world.   Everybody in WY piss in a cup.  We'll get to the bottom of this.
1522 was traversing a wye in N. St Louis and a rail rolled under her.  Made a hell of a mess.  No finger pointing.
It is what it is and its fixed.  Why waste a whole thread on it?

           With lighter rail and possibly tighter curve where there is concern, would it help any at all to lightly oil the outside rail on the curve?  Obviously doesn't do a bit of good for rolled rails but does it help in this situation to prevent a wheel climbing over?