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Did any of the 3400 class 4-6-2s have the large rectangular tender like the 3460 Hudsons?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/19 09:42 by Frisco1522.

Frisco1522 Wrote:
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> Did any of the 3400 class 4-6-2s have the large
> rectangular tender like the 3460 Hudsons?

A google search of “ATSF 3400 class” brought up an image of ATSF 3427 with one of those tenders.

I saw that.  Engine had spoked drivers in the photo.   I just bought a basket case brass model of one with the disk drivers and rectangular tender.

3429 and 3437 both had the big 20K gal square tanks and box type drivers.

Thank you Chico, just what I needed to know.  I need to find a pilot for the model and see what else it needs when it gets here.

According to a list prepared by Loren Martens, eleven "extra" 20,000 gallon square tenders ordered in 1937 were mated to existing 3400-class 4-6-2's assigned to the Eastern Lines.  Some of these tenders were later traded to other locomotives, including one that went to another 4-6-2:

EX-101 to 3436 in Feb. 38 @ Shopton then to 4092 on 3-31-51 @ Clovis then finally to 3459 in Mar.1952 @ Albq.
EX-102 to 3438 on 3-9-38 @ Topeka then to 4047 on 2-28-51 @ Clovis then finally to 3458 in Apr.1952 @ Albq.
EX-103 to 3428 in Mar. 38 @ _____ then to 3450 on 2- 4-52 @ Bakersfield
EX-104 to 3429 on 3-6- 38 @ _____
EX-105 to 3434 in Jan. 38 @ Shopton then to 3422 on 10- 3-50 @ Argentine
EX-106 to 3437 in Jan. 38 @ _____ then to 4086 on 4-20-51 @ Albq.
EX-107 to 3435 in Jul. 38 @ Topeka
EX-108 to 3439 on 3-28-38 @ _____
EX-109 to 3425 on 3-25-38 @ _____
EX-110 to 3420 in Jul. 38 @ _____
EX-111 to 3427 in Jul. 38 @ _____

Photos of 3434 and 3437 with disc drivers and square tenders appear on p.31 and 32 of Robert K. Durham's The Atchison Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad Steam - Locomotives and Trains.  A photo of 3420 with the short-lived big square Santa Fe emblems on the tender can be found on page 39 of Brasher & Kistler's Santa Fe Railway Steam Locomotive Painting, Lettering, & Detail Guide for Model Railroaders. 

In addition, there are online photos available of:

3420 with emblems: https://sfrhms.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/PSATSF3420Edelstein42LC.jpg 
3420 without emblems: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/59346 , http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s3420gga.jpg
3422: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/58722
3425: http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf-s3425gga.jpg
3427: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/59350 , https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcomike/43630646024
3428: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/59352
3429: https://www.flickr.com/photos/modelrailroadmuseum/8380546303
3434: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/58944
3435: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/58793 , http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/58795 , 
3436: https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/227656 , http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/58799 , http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/58865
3437: https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/227720 , http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/59370
3438: http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/58806 , http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/59372 , http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/59374
3439: https://www.flickr.com/photos/modelrailroadmuseum/8381626326/in/album-72157632519706215/ , http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/58807 , http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll22/id/59375

Wow, thank you.  You spent a good deal of time compiling all of that info.  I much appreciate it.

Surprised to see several went to 2-8-2's.  Never seen a picture of those.

tomstp Wrote:

> Surprised to see several went to 2-8-2's.  Never
> seen a picture of those.

Alden Armstrong shot color slides of 4086 with its big square at Clovis, NM in 1955.  One of the pictures he took is in this old thread:

https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?11,2278416

It looks like tenders were traded around all over the system, how were those moved around in trains to other locations ? I would suppose at the rear of the train since they only had a coupler on one end, or was it possible to rig up a coupler in place of the draw bar, to handle them in trains

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LocoPilot750 Wrote:

> It looks like tenders were traded around all over
> the system, how were those moved around in trains
> to other locations ? I would suppose at the rear
> of the train since they only had a coupler on one
> end, or was it possible to rig up a coupler in
> place of the draw bar, to handle them in trains

I don't know specifically how Santa Fe did it, but E.K. Muller took a remarkable photo of an SP train on Tehachapi showing two Vanderbilt tenders drawbarred bunker-to-bunker (i.e. couplers out) moving in a train:

https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,4327332,4328074#4328074

The photo at the top of that thread shows two retired Santa Fe steam locomotives drawbarred cab-to-cab heading to scrap.  It's not out of the question that Santa Fe moved tenders moved the same way. 

On the other hand, there's the undated photo below by Robert Ramsay courtesy the Western Railway Museum Archives that appears show 4-6-4's 3459 and 3450 in retirement, with the latter flanked by both its old step-top tender and the second-hand "square" it inherited from 3428 in 1952.  Everything is "nose-to-tail," though it's impossible to say just how much of it is physically coupled together.  Both engines were sidelined permanently in 1953 and disposed of in 1955 (3450 to display in Pomona, CA and 3459 to scrap), hence the "ca.1954" date. 

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