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Date: 04/01/21 09:07
A Frisco discovery
Author: Frisco1522

With the “Salute to Frisco Steam” book nearly on the shelves, I went back over all the research involved.
I had uncovered an old wives’ tale about there originally being 26 of the 4500s.  I never believed it, even after Dad mentioned it once a long time ago.
So I was happily cruising through details of each class and uncovered a photo of the 4525!  A lot more digging finally led me to what that was all about. 
When the last eleven 4500s were delivered during the war, they were put into immediate service.   A little over a week after 4525, Frisco’s last new steam engine was delivered she was breaking in on a local freight and was in the siding between Allenton and Pacific, MO for a meet.  The engine crew was sitting off in the shade waiting when the boiler developed a massive longitudinal crack that opened and spread of three courses.  It didn’t outright explode rapidly but   After all the steam, water and dust settled, the crew was fine, everything was still on the rails and the engine looked like a burst open soda pop can.
At that time, Baldwin was over capacity as was West Springfield shops and the carcass was unceremoniously scrapped along with Baldwin footing the bill due to their defect.
Had it not been for Robert J. Foster and his photo of her at Lindenwood, who knows how long this would have just been a rumor.
This would have been included in my book, but I limited to action and train photos.
 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/21 09:09 by Frisco1522.




Date: 04/01/21 09:14
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: ChrisCampi

Interesting story and good luck with your book project. Hard to imagine the crew watching this unfold. Would've scared the C@+p out of me.



Date: 04/01/21 09:16
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: Bob3985

Lucky engine crew.
Should be a good book Don.

Bob Krieger
Cheyenne, WY



Date: 04/01/21 09:19
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: kurtarmbruster

Wow, quite an episode! Beautiful engine they were, clean lines, perfect proportions, nice details all 'round--including "FFF"--"Frisco Fast Freight"--on the tender. Thanks for sharing!



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Date: 04/01/21 09:31
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: MacBeau

Great story and image.
—Mac



Date: 04/01/21 14:42
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: wabash2800

If I would have been in the that engine crew, I would have got as far away as possible...thinking that it would explode at any moment.

Victor A Baird
http://www.erstwhilepublications.com



Date: 04/01/21 15:11
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: HotWater

wabash2800 Wrote:
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> If I would have been in the that engine crew, I
> would have got as far away as possible...thinking
> that it would explode at any moment.
>
> Victor A Baird


Why? Once a crack opens up and begins releasing pressure, there wouldn't be much danger of an "explosion". 



Date: 04/01/21 15:25
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: wcamp1472

Looks like that would have been a MASSIVE PRODUCT DEFECT.....

So this photo was taken while loco was brand-new?
The loco was cut-up after the seams failure?
Why would 3 longitudinal seams all fail at the same event?
What kind of boiler construction practice would have led to 
such a catastrophic failures?

That's some SCARY string of events..

W.



Date: 04/01/21 15:39
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: wabash2800

How would I know that? I'll bet there would have been plenty of seasoned RRders that would have done the same. How often had they ever seen that in their career? Likely never.

Victor A. Baird
http://www.erstwhilepublications.com

HotWater Wrote:
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>
> Why? Once a crack opens up and begins releasing
> pressure, there wouldn't be much danger of an
> "explosion". 



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Date: 04/01/21 17:44
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: Frisco1522

Well, the day is drawing to a close and I got several of you with this April Fool's post.  Frisco never had a 4525 and I was wanting to see if any Frisco fanatics were on board.
Engine is 4524.  Delivered with spoked pilot truck wheels.  Still has the BLW H&H data on the reservoirs.
I think somebody on Frisco.org busted me on it.



Date: 04/01/21 17:59
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: Txhighballer

Frisco1522 Wrote:
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> Well, the day is drawing to a close and I got
> several of you with this April Fool's post. 
> Frisco never had a 4525 and I was wanting to see
> if any Frisco fanatics were on board.
> Engine is 4524.  Delivered with spoked pilot
> truck wheels.  Still has the BLW H&H data on the
> reservoirs.
> I think somebody on Frisco.org busted me on it.

You sure got me! I thought my book was wrong! 



Date: 04/01/21 18:45
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: MP4093

No, look at the date, I would have heard this story from someone by now if it was even a rumor. Longitudinal seam failure across 3 courses, I don't think so. Nice photo of good locomotive put out to pasture way too soon.



Date: 04/01/21 20:40
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: Hillcrest

Frisco1522 Wrote:
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> Well, the day is drawing to a close and I got
> several of you with this April Fool's post. 
> Frisco never had a 4525 and I was wanting to see
> if any Frisco fanatics were on board.
> Engine is 4524.  Delivered with spoked pilot
> truck wheels.  Still has the BLW H&H data on the
> reservoirs.
> I think somebody on Frisco.org busted me on it.

I knew it!!  Haaahaaaa...When a guy has "whiskers" like you Don, people are inclined to take your word for stuff like this, including me!!
Cheers, Dave



Date: 04/03/21 20:03
Re: A Frisco discovery
Author: MILW16

Good one Don!  Looking forward to your book.



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