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Steam & Excursion > A shot of UP 4014 climbing CajonDate: 02/06/24 23:44 A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: CimaScrambler I was digging around the archives this afternoon and found this image that hadn't made it out of the RAW file yet.
UP Big Boy 4014 climbing the ex-SP rails through Silverwood during its 2019 visit to SoCal. It takes an angle like this to show just how long that particular iron horse is, an impressive machine if there ever was one. Regards, - Kit Kit Courter Menefee, CA LunarLight Photography ![]() Date: 02/07/24 00:53 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: refarkas Worthy of a center spread in a magazine!
Bob Date: 02/07/24 05:12 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: cozephyr Damn nice image, Kit-! Thanks for digging UP 4014 up. Maybe you can catch the Big Boy in California this summer.
Date: 02/07/24 10:14 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: callum_out Wow, check out the clean stack, gee I wonder why?
Out Date: 02/07/24 12:55 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: MaryMcPherson callum_out Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Wow, check out the clean stack, gee I wonder > why? > > Out 'Cause they are not overfiring the locomotive? Or are we making sarcasm? Mary McPherson Dongola, IL Diverging Clear Productions Date: 02/07/24 13:09 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: Spoony81 callum_out Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Wow, check out the clean stack, gee I wonder > why? > > Out They forgot to put more smoke fluid down the stack Date: 02/07/24 13:15 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: ColdWaterAlarmist callum_out Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Wow, check out the clean stack, gee I wonder > why? > > Out To quote a hero of mine… “High heat low smoke firing…” It’s what dreams are made of. And there isn’t ANYONE that can say “oh they weren’t working the engine…” I stood along the mainline at the bottom of the hill…I felt the ground move and heard every exhaust stroke that magnificent machine was putting out. I agree. Great shot. - Coldwater Posted from iPhone Date: 02/07/24 13:22 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: callum_out Yah well as someone who saw Big Boys leaving Cheyenne West with over 80 cars and no diesels and as someone
who watched it go West thru Ivanpah I can tell you that "magnificant machine" wasn't putting out anything near what it did in years past. Ed has done a decent job in the years after that trip to get it to steam better and he deserves credit for that. But that trip up Cajon in the fifties with that train would not have needed two high TE diesels as helpers. Out Date: 02/07/24 13:25 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: ColdWaterAlarmist callum_out Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Yah well as someone who saw Big Boys leaving > Cheyenne West with over 80 cars and no diesels and > as someone > who watched it go West thru Ivanpah I can tell you > that "magnificant machine" wasn't putting out > anything near what > it did in years past. Ed has done a decent job in > the years after that trip to get it to steam > better and he deserves > credit for that. But that trip up Cajon in the > fifties with that train would not have needed two > high TE diesels as > helpers. > > Out It also wouldn’t have made track speed either… Posted from iPhone Date: 02/07/24 15:25 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: TheNavigator Excellent perspective! I remember that day well.
GK Date: 02/07/24 19:03 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: ProAmtrak I gotta say that's an awesome shot at Silverwood!
Date: 02/08/24 08:42 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: BAB MaryMcPherson Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > callum_out Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Wow, check out the clean stack, gee I wonder > > why? > > > > Out > > 'Cause they are not overfiring the locomotive? > Or are we making sarcasm? Same people Mary same engine am glad that Ed got it running so we can enjoy seeing it On the Rails. Am hoping it comes north thru Klamath Falls and our little town of Chilouqin home of Train Mountain Railroad this year. Date: 02/08/24 08:54 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: Hillcrest Congrats on IOD! I had a feeling that would happen...;-)
Cheers, Dave Date: 02/08/24 17:35 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: atsf121 Great photo! Congrats on the IOTD
Posted from iPhone Date: 02/09/24 07:25 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: hotrail We listened to the two engine crews on the radio that day. The diesels did 90% of the work, the 4014 was steamed up for show and a nice whistle. Not being a critic, just saying the facts.
Date: 02/10/24 08:43 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: HotWater hotrail Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > We listened to the two engine crews on the radio > that day. The diesels did 90% of the work, the > 4014 was steamed up for show and a nice whistle. > Not being a critic, just saying the facts. Not only that but, if 4014 was really working all that hard, why isn't the Fireman using the Elesco Exhaust Steam Injector? Darned nice photo anyway! Date: 02/10/24 09:24 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: wcamp1472 Running in a heat-saturated stream generating mode
( steam temp = temp of water that boiled it), it's no wonder that he's dragging 3 tenders of water. At low throttle settings flame temps are too low once they enter the boiler tubes. The return bends of the superheater tubes are 18" to 24" short of the rear tube sheet, so there's a lot of cold water sucking heat from the warm firebox gasses. The extended combustion chamber ( volume of space above the top of the brick-arch to the rear tube sheet) means that with low fuel delivery, that the flames are well cooled by the time they even get to the boiler tubes... You consume 3-times the quantity of water, vs. when running at superheat generating drafts... Therefore, 3 tenders of water. So, with the intended mileage to meet the schedule, it makes sense to only make enough steam to blow the whistle. Also, it keeps the pistons wet with hot water... There's too low steam-temps to take advantage of valve oil being delivered off of the 'spoon' delivery pipe in the steam path, just before each of the 'spool' valves ( at each piston)....so, valve oil dribbles down the walls of the steam passages leading to the pistons. At low steam consumption rates you're not going to be adding boiler water in a continuous manner. So, maybe the fire-boy is unfamiliar with adjusting the 'water' valve, for low delivery rates - -- maybe he's using the "on/off" manner with the 'gun'...? W. (Hey, HotWater, high in the cab of the 4012 at Steamtown, there's a 2 or 3-feed, hydrostatic lubricator .... what do you suppose it's feeding? Pivots in the steam delivery pipes to the front engine? ---- W.) Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/10/24 09:45 by wcamp1472. Date: 02/10/24 14:45 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: Earlk Stoker engine?
Date: 02/10/24 17:48 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: HotWater Wes,
1) If the 4014 was actually "working hard" the Fireman had better NOT been using the Elesco Exhaust Steam Injector "on-and-off"! Been there many times with 3985, and you better be simply adjusting the water input with the tumbling shaft "pin-wheel" to keep the injector engaged, when working hard. Which was NOT what was happening in that photo, above. 2) I have no idea what those hydrostatic lube supplies would have been, since the 3985 didn't have those. Thus, maybe stoke engine lube supply on a coal burning 4000 class. Date: 02/10/24 18:35 Re: A shot of UP 4014 climbing Cajon Author: wcamp1472 Thanks...
I appreciate the replies. W. |