Steam & Excursion > Why did UP get rid of all the coaches?

Why did UP give almost all their coaches to RRHMA?  Are they greatly reducing excursion capacity?  I just found this out from a Facebook post but it seems to have occured months or even years ago.

 

CO1309 Wrote:
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> Why did UP give almost all their coaches to
> RRHMA?  Are they greatly reducing excursion
> capacity?  I just found this out from a Facebook
> post but it seems to have occured months or even
> years ago.

Since the UP no longer does/allows "excursions" why would they need all that many coaches?

I didn't know they got rid of excursions?

CO1309 Wrote:
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> I didn't know they got rid of excursions?

Really? Apparently you haven't been paying attention for many years.

4 or 5 of them went to RRHMA. Coach "Texas Eagle" as of last July is in the Cheyenne yard looking sun baked.

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I think UP can still make a period passneger train with what remains.

So, let's be real, the people on those trains don't ride in coach anyway and the potential coach
passengers aren't welcome! Yah I know, what about employee specials? What do you think buses
are for? 

Out 

HotWater Wrote:
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> CO1309 Wrote:
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> > I didn't know they got rid of excursions?
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> Really? Apparently you haven't been paying
> attention for many years.

Just another thing Ed has destroyed, I'm not surprised but I missed the information at some point.

still have dome coaches, but they are not running railfan excursions like they used, insurance carriers may forbid some clubs from running excursions anymore . that is at least the case with Rocky mtn rr club

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It is a nice accomodation to offer excursions, but in modern times with corporations lacking a soul or any resemblence of being a good citizen we are lucky to have the Big Boy out. I don't think Ed has a say over it. Equipment cost money and UP has been shedding equipment to save the pennies it cost to store and maintain it. At least the equipment appears to be going to a good home.

 

Todd Clark
Canyon Country, CA
Trainorders.com

CO1309 Wrote:
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> Why did UP give almost all their coaches to
> RRHMA?  Are they greatly reducing excursion
> capacity?  I just found this out from a Facebook
> post but it seems to have occured months or even
> years ago.

It was announced on 04/28/2022

In October 2019 for the Rail Giants excursion train to Barstow and back. there was 2 coaches that were left at West Colton because there were not enough sales for them. The domes and other coach cars were adequate for the passenger counts. Thus, there were 3 coach cars actually used however IIRC the 2 that I saw were less than half occupied. 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/24 16:51 by longliveSP.

longliveSP Wrote:
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> CO1309 Wrote:
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> > Why did UP give almost all their coaches to
> > RRHMA?  Are they greatly reducing excursion
> > capacity?  I just found this out from a
> Facebook
> > post but it seems to have occured months or
> even
> > years ago.
>
> It was announced on 04/28/2022
>
> In October 2019 for the Rail Giants excursion
> train to Barstow and back. there was 2 coaches
> that were left at West Colton because there were
> not enough sales for them. The domes and other
> coach cars were adequate for the passenger counts.
> Thus, there were 3 coach cars actually used
> however IIRC the 2 that I saw were less than half
> occupied. 

Why doesn't that surprise me since prices were an arm and a leg!

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They can always borrow them back if they truely needed them. 

I suspect the decision to sell the coaches came from Omaha HQ- not Cheyenne. No doubt there was financial pressure to reduce the car count.

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NKP779 Wrote:
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> I suspect the decision to sell the coaches came
> from Omaha HQ- not Cheyenne. No doubt there was
> financial pressure to reduce the car count.
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Doesn't really matter it would have been a UP corporate decision not one persons.

BAB Wrote:
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> NKP779 Wrote:
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> > I suspect the decision to sell the coaches came
> > from Omaha HQ- not Cheyenne. No doubt there was
> > financial pressure to reduce the car count.
> >
> > Posted from Android
>
> Doesn't really matter it would have been a UP
> corporate decision not one persons.

Not if one person told corporate we dont need these and we need to get rid of them..

they almost retired the dome diner, more cars were on the chopping block it seemed as well

Didn’t at one time UP have 60 or so passenger cars in the fleet. (Post Amjoke).

Regards

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remember in the 80's when UP sold  all those caRS TO MEXICO, THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE CONVERSION PROGRAM GOT RIDof half the coaches then, thought the each conversion was twice that what it ended up costing.

The coach seats seem to me labor intensive to maintain, if the cars wereever  used, and they were due for paint, probably 60k each at mid america car.

The heritage fleet. biz cars is a seperate deal from the steam program,  the steam program cars did just go to council bluffs in january for regular work in jan, returning a month or so later in their own 3 car train

dan Wrote:
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> they almost retired the dome diner, more cars were
> on the chopping block it seemed as well


Is that the "challenger" dome car that sits in the roundhouse now in the far left stall next to 838?

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