Steam & Excursion > Thank you, Martin!

From 10/ 19/ 24, 04:33...

I've just received my copy of the Book! 

Thank you, Martin, for pursuading me to order the "Shay" book.
Its the MOST complete book I've ever seen on one builder, and one type!
Its immense in information..

Thanks, again 

​W.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/25/24 15:04 by wcamp1472.

Gald you like it.  We all worked hard to get it right.  It must have worked as we are already in the 3rd printing of the book.

Martin

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May I add that as a companion to the Shay book, if you have any interest in Mallet Compound (and simple) Articulated logging locomotives "Timber Titans'"  is worth every penny.

Cheers, Dave

Thanks for the recommendation,  there were a lot of forests that 
were on relatively flat territory--- where they didn't need slow, heavy haulers.

So, I'll add it in my library...
Always appreciate book reccomentations..

​W.


 

Yes - The Shay book is great and I use it for reference all the time.  I also agree that Timber Titans is another book that I use on a regular basis.

Ron

Here is the Timber Titans Book.  This is in it's second printing.

Martin

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Nice picture books however both have factual errors.  

We have never had anyone point out even one error in Timber Titans.  Care to share with us what you are referring to in order to see if it is an error or not?

Martin

LoggerHogger Wrote:
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> We have never had anyone point out even one error
> in Timber Titans.  Care to share with us what you
> are referring to in order to see if it is an error
> or not?

> Martin

To be honest, have read both books and I can't say that there are no errors in "The Shay", because of it's size.  I have read "The Timber Titans" c-t-c a couple of times and found none.  I'm a little like Martin as I would like to know if, in fact, there actually are any in either.

The amount of research done for both books was/is absolutely incredible.

JOHN



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/26/24 21:05 by Jsporseen.

Even if there were an errant date, or a missing hyphen, how would that 
affecr the overall quality of the 'work'?
Could the critic have done a better job --- publishing their own work ?

Makers of beautiful bed quilts, with intricate designs and beautiful
patterns, always include a subtle, but intentional 'error' buried in the 
work, as an admission that  only God, creates perfect works...

Quilters not only pay attention to finely crafted patterns, but also to 
things like hand stitches of fine dimension spacing being uniformly 
10 stitches per inch, or other, uniform all-over, stitch-count in handmade 
quilts.   A quality, hand crafted quilt can take a couple of years to complete.

There are quality preferences ( and increased value$) of hand-made
quilts, over quilts assembled and stitched together on a sewing machine.

The crafter's 'error' is cleverly concealed, and the ultimate owners will never
be able to locate the 'error'... But, the quilter smiles with pride over her works,
..each with a tiny, intentional glitch...

​W.
 



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 10/27/24 16:10 by wcamp1472.

I know I've committed my share of errors in print, things happen. 

I know there were discussions on some other forums about a few of the errors that crept into the Shay book when it was first published.  I also remember discussions about those that did get identified and supported being corrected in subsequent printings, unfortunately I haven't yet seen myself any copies from the second or third printing to check on those myself.  It seems somewhat rare that opportunities to correct errors are provided in a lot of these types of works, so White River and the authors (Henderson/Benson/Kadelak/Hauff) deserve a lot of credit for making that happen. 

As for the TImber Titans book, I had a message from Tom Moungovan this morning asking me to refer back to a couple previous posts specifically about the California Western #46:

https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,5257886,5257886#msg-5257886
https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,5273255,5274511#msg-5274511

Jeff Moore
Elko, NV

As a 3rd generation railroader with some experience, training and education, my ego precludes the need to debate, argue, or always be right about all things railroad.  Just making an observation.  Perhaps I might have said nice pictorials, I have both books and wasn't suggesting the books are bad or not worth owning.  I've authored a published book, and appreciate the work that goes toward a professional effort.   Not saying I'm an author, nor do I pretend to be a good author or critic.  It's a hobby, just made an observation.  My observation is based on individuals including a very credible and well published author, and individuals in the industry with first hand rail and operating experience during the era in which the fine machines portrayed in the books were in operation.  Although I enjoyed  and took  pride in my rail career; I still enjoy learning about railroads past and present.  I've yet to encounter any railroader, "foamer", author, or student who knows everything.   I assume the authors put in alot of effort to produce quality results.  Since there were several authors involved, I don't know who was responsible for the specific material in the books and certainly not pointing fingers at anyone.   No disrespect intended; again, it's a hobby and I have no interest in debates or the all too prevalent pissing matches between egos that surface in rail forums.  If the original poster would like specifics, I'll be happy to discuss privately.   There's some knowledgeable posters on this forum that I deem credible and enjoy learning from the information they share.  Doesn't mean I won't do fact checking from time to time.  One final thought; as a railroader I learned it helps to have a thick skin.  

^^^^ that’s a lot of words that lead nowhere

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Spoony81 Wrote:
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> ^^^^ that’s a lot of words that lead nowhere

Post of the day on this thread!

HotWater Wrote:
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> Spoony81 Wrote:
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> > ^^^^ that’s a lot of words that lead nowhere
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> Post of the day on this thread!

I agree….. that is a bunch of word salad. Let me stir the pot then back track but not really with a long meandering post with saying nothing of any substance.

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And BS like this is why Martin stopped posting daily here on Train Orders.

point out the errors so they can be corrected

Martin is no stranger to errors. They were a regular occurrence on his former daily historical posts.

What was your intended purpose for THAT comment?

​W.


 

portlander Wrote:
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> Martin is no stranger to errors. They were a
> regular occurrence on his former daily historical
> posts.

Don’t be that guy…