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Date: 01/31/25 07:27
Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: WrongWayMurphy

Based on the massive steel pilot and shield on the pilot deck, looks like the Wabash
was concerned about hitting something substantial.

Back of this photo says "Wabash Ltd out of St Louis, 1945"  (no photograapher noted)

As usual, I have more questions.

Consist behind tender is baggage car then RPO.  Wednesday i offed up a photo of a Soo
passenger train at St Paul with RPO behind the tender, then baggage.  Was this order a road
preference or just ease of train make-up at the time the train was being assembled?

 




Date: 01/31/25 07:31
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: HotWater

Nice photo but, I don't see and "disc drivers" on that locomotive.



Date: 01/31/25 07:53
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: train1275

Boxpok Type B's ??

Wabash 705 at Decatur, IL May 15, 1954, William Walsh photo, Matthew Fick collection as posted on George Elwood's Fallen Flags website.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/25 07:58 by train1275.




Date: 01/31/25 09:09
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: refarkas

Good-looking locomotives.
Bob



Date: 01/31/25 09:29
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: pennsy3750

WrongWayMurphy Wrote:
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>  Soo passenger train at St Paul with RPO behind the
> tender, then baggage.  Was this order a road
> preference or just ease of train make-up at the
> time the train was being assembled?


Could have been a road preference, or the baggage car in the Wabash train could have been in storage mail service, and thus ahead of the RPO to keep the rifraff out; IIRC even the conductor needed a justifiable reason to enter the RPO in those days.



Date: 01/31/25 09:30
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: WrongWayMurphy

Is boxpok not a type or brand of disc drivers?

I am confused....



Date: 01/31/25 09:42
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: ATSFSuperCap

The more interesting part of these 4-6-4's, is not the box pok drivers.    These were built in the Wabash shops using boilers from retired 2-10-2's!!!!!!!!!!   Now there is a kitbashing project.



Date: 01/31/25 10:15
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: train1275

My understanding, and I'm far from an expert in this, is that Boxpok was General Steel Castings proprietary version of  disc drivers.
Others being Scullin, Baldwin and LFM.



Date: 01/31/25 11:06
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: ts1457

WrongWayMurphy Wrote:
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> As usual, I have more questions.
> Consist behind tender is baggage car then RPO.
>  Wednesday i offed up a photo of a Soo
> passenger train at St Paul with RPO behind the
> tender, then baggage.  Was this order a road
> preference or just ease of train make-up at the
> time the train was being assembled?

I don't know, but keep in mind that access to a RPO compartment was generally restricted to Post Office employees only. The wall between the baggage compartment and RPO space might have a creep door, but that was it. Someone correct me if a am wrong, but I think a railroad employee would only pass through in an emergency.



Date: 01/31/25 11:44
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: HotWater

WrongWayMurphy Wrote:
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> Is boxpok not a type or brand of disc drivers?

Not in my opinion.


> I am confused....

OK.



Date: 01/31/25 14:01
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: wabash2800

Actually, the P-1s were rebuilt from large 2-8-2s. Too bad none was saved, The color photo depicts what I believe were the 32 steam engines mothballed at Decatur Illinois under the guise of a National Defense Program in 1953. Included were Wabash Hudsons, Mountains and Northerns. The Wabash president saved a 2-6-0, which he though was cute. He had been a bean counter and apparently valued the scrap money more than saving anything bigger.I agree that the baggage car behind the engine was probably carrying mail. I get the impression that baggage car is often a misnomer as they probably carried other things besides passengers' baggage.

Victor  Baird

ATSFSuperCap Wrote:
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> The more interesting part of these 4-6-4's, is not
> the box pok drivers.    These were built in the
> Wabash shops using boilers from retired
> 2-10-2's!!!!!!!!!!   Now there is a kitbashing
> project.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/25 14:06 by wabash2800.



Date: 01/31/25 14:08
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: ts1457

wabash2800 Wrote:
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> ...I agree that the baggage car
> behind the engine was probably carrying mail. I
> get the impression that baggage car is often a
> misnomer as they probably carried other things
> besides passengers' baggage.

Express for sure. Perhaps the bagged mail that does not to be sorted, too.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/25 15:30 by ts1457.



Date: 01/31/25 15:18
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: Frisco1522

They were built from 2-8-2s as Victor said.  The photo at St. Louis looks like a James Bowie photo.  Nice looking engine.  I've never really heard much about how they performed.



Date: 01/31/25 15:21
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: train1275

I got curious as to some of the different drivers in later steam days.

Here are some ads.








Date: 01/31/25 15:30
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: train1275

And LFM's offering.

As to the GSC Boxpok style. They do not use the term disc or disk, including in their patent - https://patents.google.com/patent/US1960039A/en
It is generally referred to as a "boxed spoke"

Various railfan write ups do tend to refer to all of these later day non-true spoke designs as disc, but that does not seem to be the case in the ads for Boxpok or LFM. LFM tending to use the term "Universal". 

ATSF's locomotive specifications dated July 1940 for the 3776 class referred to locomotive drivers as being of the boxed or disc type made of cast alloy steel, AAR grade C or equivalent.

Last one, the Scullin disc I meant to post above.
 



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Date: 01/31/25 20:51
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: wabash2800

I saw one account where chalk outlines on the bagage floor were designated for various designations. The mail bags were heavy.

Victor Baird



ts1457 Wrote:
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> Express for sure. Perhaps the bagged mail that
> does not to be sorted, too.

Posted from Android



Date: 02/01/25 06:49
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: swaool

Thanks for posting those ads.  Now I know what "LFM" stood for!

mike woodruff
north platte ne



Date: 02/01/25 17:45
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: EMD2024

wabash2800 Wrote:
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> Actually, the P-1s were rebuilt from large 2-8-2s.
> Too bad none was saved, The color photo depicts
> what I believe were the 32 steam engines
> mothballed at Decatur Illinois under the guise of
> a National Defense Program in 1953. Included were
> Wabash Hudsons, Mountains and Northerns. The
> Wabash president saved a 2-6-0, which he though
> was cute. He had been a bean counter and
> apparently valued the scrap money more than saving
> anything bigger.I agree that the baggage car
> behind the engine was probably carrying mail. I
> get the impression that baggage car is often a
> misnomer as they probably carried other things
> besides passengers' baggage.
>
> Victor  Baird
>
> ATSFSuperCap Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The more interesting part of these 4-6-4's, is
> not
> > the box pok drivers.    These were built in
> the
> > Wabash shops using boilers from retired
> > 2-10-2's!!!!!!!!!!   Now there is a
> kitbashing
> > project.

That little Mogul is in the collection at the National Museum of Transportation in St. Louis along with a matching wooed caboose.

MWPerkins



Date: 02/01/25 21:54
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: hawkinsun

Thanks train1275 for adding these wheel center adds..   Very interesting.  Just what I was hoping for.

Craig Hanson
Vay, Idaho



Date: 02/02/25 05:36
Re: Wabash 4-6-4 702 had disc drivers too
Author: wabash2800

The caboose is a steel, Wabash caboose. The last I saw the wood caboose, it was in pieces in a shed. I knew the WRRHS member who donated the restored, steel car. The sale of reproduction china, donations, and a donation from the Wabash Railroad Historical Society provided funds to cosmetically restore the Wabash mogul.

Victor Baird.
>
>
> That little Mogul is in the collection at the
> National Museum of Transportation in St. Louis
> along with a matching wooed caboose.
>
> MWPerkins

Posted from Android



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/25 21:19 by wabash2800.



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