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Have you ever seen a print out of an Advance Consist? I'm sure some of you can tell us what all those numbers mean. I believe it is Southern Pacific. I'm sure not many of use have seen these print outs or know what they mean. HELP!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/09/12 22:34 by edsaalig.

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I used to get these from the yard office in Redding, Ca. back in the SP days. Fascinating reading.

Adam

SP GP-35 and 5 Rock Island GP-40's for the GS.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/12 10:39 by ClipX.

on the Santa Fe that would be called a "wheel report," wouldn't it?

ClipX Wrote:
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> SP GP-35 and 5 Rock Island GP-40's for the GS.


Yes, with the train listed as it stood leaving El Paso. To really "decode" this, someone will need to find us the SP station numbers, the 5-digit figures.

Take care,

Mark



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/12 13:45 by mamfahr.

The_Chief_Way Wrote:
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> on the Santa Fe that would be called a "wheel
> report," wouldn't it?


It was on the SP also.


V

SLOCONDR

If I remember correctly, the consist was from the back of the train (the caboose is the first one on the list) to the front?

Ron

rlehmer Wrote:
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> If I remember correctly, the consist was from the
> back of the train (the caboose is the first one on
> the list) to the front?
>
> Ron


Correct, Ron.

V

SLOCONDR

I've seen one or two of them. This one is pretty old so is, as you can see, very numeric, but a couple things...

The 5 digit numbers, especially the 09 SETOUT 12345 is where the car(s) supposed to be setout, which you can pretty much figure out. 40400 was SP's station number for Amarillo, TX.

After the car number the codes which start with an L or E represent the L/E status (rocket science stuff again) and then the SP car type. The next 5 digit number is probably the destination station. I think the three digit number is the tonnage, but the numbers look off for that. One of them somewhere is the next event, but I forget what those codes are. The loads show the commodity, of course, but I think the empties show a numeric designation for the pool code.

Here it is, boys and girls.

From the power

52270 Tucson
51160 Phoenix Yard
51140 Phoenix
51223 Rittenhouse
51160 Phoenix Yd
San Manuel RR Hayden Interchange
47215 Brawley
40230 LATC
31000 SF
40230 North Hollywood
40340 Glendale Industrial
45560 Riverside
27325 Fresno
03858 Eugene Yard
32020 San Jose
48540 SDAE San Diego
32020 San Jose
Seattle-UP
45510 Colton
31000 SF
45510 Colton
30200 West Oakland
25440 Mendota
Trona Rwy
26729 Ripon
30200 West Oakland
Trona Rwy
30530 Newark
40560 LATC
LA-ATSF
40400 LA Yard
41515 J Yard-LA
40400 LA Yard
40230 North Hollywood
43140 La Habra
43330 Buena Park
43080 Puente Jct-UP
42460 Long Beach
42520 Wilmington
43320 Carmenita
42460 Long Beach
42430 Watson
43620 Santa Ana
Cab

Missing is the Coors Beer from Dalhart, TX

Numbers can be found next to station name in ETT

Outside of the Tucson block and the LA Basin block on the end, the rest of the train will need to be humped in LA

1GS 03



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/12 10:09 by WAF.

Waybiller Wrote:
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> I've seen one or two of them. This one is pretty
> old so is, as you can see, very numeric, but a
> couple things...
>
> The 5 digit numbers, especially the 09 SETOUT
> 12345 is where the car(s) supposed to be setout,
> which you can pretty much figure out. 40400 was
> SP's station number for Amarillo, TX.

I wouldn't necessarily say that the 5-digit number is where the car was to be set out. I'd say that the 5-digit number is the final destination of the car.
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>

> I think the three digit number is the tonnage, but
> the numbers look off for that.

They look about right to me. A loaded grain hopper runs about 130-135 tons per car. Empties would weigh about 30 to 57 tons, depending on the type of car.

JDE

> Numbers can be found next to station name in ETT
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> Outside of the Tucson block and the LA Basin block
> on the end, the rest of the train will need to be
> humped in LA


OK, I think I can interpret everything now, except for the 3-digit numbers following the (5-character) destination station codes. If I had to guess, they look to be some sort of SP block code number, since they seem related to the destination station codes. For example, it appears that "440" shown for the group on the head-end (bottom of the list) could be an "LA Basin Block". Can anyone tell me for sure what those codes represent and how they were used?

Were these "GS" trains typically RI runthrough trains only, straight through to LA? Or would they normally "fill" at El Paso or somewhere else en-route? I'm asking that to see if it's likely that the train would have been delivered with that same consist at TUC, or are we looking at a train that's been modified since the RI delivered it? What would its RI connection have been?

Thanks,

Mark



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/12 15:22 by mamfahr.

1/GS was the hot train ( GSX had not started at this point), reduced at Indio of its Bay Area and Oregon traffic and then straight to LA. This GS seems to have been filled on the headend with empties. Perhaps no 2/GS on this date. This train consist is pretty messed up as I said outside of a Tucson and Colton? ( so messed up, it might as well send it over the hump and back track the Basin cars). Train appears to have Block 4 cars (LATC) and Block 5 ( LA basin and ATSF and UP interchange traffic)

GS had the dead freight, but could have catch up California cars. Also known to get the beer off the FW&D at Dalhart if it was running late



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/12 15:59 by WAF.

Steamjocky Wrote:
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> Waybiller Wrote:
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> > I've seen one or two of them. This one is
> pretty
> > old so is, as you can see, very numeric, but a
> > couple things...
> >
> > The 5 digit numbers, especially the 09 SETOUT
> > 12345 is where the car(s) supposed to be
> setout,
> > which you can pretty much figure out. 40400
> was
> > SP's station number for Amarillo, TX.
>
> I wouldn't necessarily say that the 5-digit number
> is where the car was to be set out. I'd say that
> the 5-digit number is the final destination of the
> car.
> >

Yes, I wasn't clear on that. They've got a setout header line that starts with 09, then the setout station block, but then in the columns show the dest. station. I forgot SP's Station Numbers don't match the FSACs, either that or they did a station renumbering sometime.


> >
>
> > I think the three digit number is the tonnage,
> but
> > the numbers look off for that.
>
> They look about right to me. A loaded grain
> hopper runs about 130-135 tons per car. Empties
> would weigh about 30 to 57 tons, depending on the
> type of car.
>
> JDE

There were a bunch of loads which seemed really light to me, but then I looked at the contents and they made a little more sense. The NW, NYC, and MILW at the start of the second page, for example.

Also trying to remember what PP stood for.

Waybiller Wrote:
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> Also trying to remember what PP stood for.


Not sure but I think it stands for PREPAID.

JDE