Nostalgia & History > Some Intercity Passenger Train Photos -- Rick Burn

1. CB&Q E7A 9932-A with Train 11, the Nebraska Zephyr, Buda, IL in March 1963.  The train was probably combined with the Kansas City Zephyr.

2 and 3. MILW E9A 33A with Train 6, the Morning Hiawatha on the Wisconsin River Bridge, Wisconsin Dells, WI in June 1967.



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4. N&W GP9 505 with Train 1, the Wabash Cannonball at Sangamon, IL in May 1966.

5 and 6. UP E8A 928 with Train 104, the City of Los Angeles, 34th St., Ogden, UT in April 1970.

Enjoy,
Marty Bernard



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If only I could remember where I left my way-back machine...  I'd be there in a heartbeat!

BRAtkinson Wrote:
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> If only I could remember where I left my way-back
> machine...  I'd be there in a heartbeat!

You handed the keys back to Mr Peabody....

Nice shots, Marty - thanks for sharing!

It always struck me as odd that N&W never bothered
to purchase streamlined locomotives for its passenger
trains.  Even when they got the F's from Wabash, they
never, I believe, utilized them in passenger service.

/Mitch

Mitch, could at least some of the reason be because it kept steam so long?

Marty

N&W did lease some ACL E units briefly, but when they decided to dieselize the passenger trains they bought all GP9's with steam generators. The first few arrived in 1957 and the rest in 1958. Not many E units were being built that late in the game. N&W proper never bought any F units, either. 

Seeing these slides was a great way to start my day  Thanks very much. Love the Nebraska Zephyr slide. --Kelly

All these photos are appreciated, but I must say the photos of the Nebraska Zephyr are always remarkable (you posted quite a few.) So much mail and express on the front of that train. I suppose all the cars were not worked at the stops, but the engine is not quite 1/3 of a mile from the coaches!

Given the date, the shot of UP #104 is probably the combined "City of Los Angeles/City of San Francisco" just east 
of Ogden, especially given the SP cars on the rear of the train.  

I would second the notion the the NZ shot is of the combined NZ/Kansas City Zephyr since it's east of Galesburg.

Nick Tharalson,
Marion, IA

King_Coal Wrote:
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> All these photos are appreciated, but I must say
> the photos of the Nebraska Zephyr are always
> remarkable (you posted quite a few.) So much mail
> and express on the front of that train. I suppose
> all the cars were not worked at the stops, but the
> engine is not quite 1/3 of a mile from the
> coaches!

For some reason storage mail for the UP’s Overland route was primarily routed via the Burlington, even though the UP’s passenger partner on the east end was the Milwaukee, and before 1955 the C&NW.

Dave

The red stripe on 104's last car looks odd--
it matches the height of the stripe on a Budd car?
Did all SP's smooth-side sleepers have
the stripe that low?

Nick,

You are correct that it is the combined train leaving Ogden, UT.  I lived about 6 blocks from Ogden Union Station from 1969 to 1972, so this was a Saturday morning shot.

Rick Burn

timz Wrote:
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> The red stripe on 104's last car looks odd--
> it matches the height of the stripe on a Budd
> car?
> Did all SP's smooth-side sleepers have
> the stripe that low?

Yes

timz Wrote:
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> The red stripe on 104's last car looks odd--
> it matches the height of the stripe on a Budd
> car?
> Did all SP's smooth-side sleepers have
> the stripe that low?

nope. I believe this was originally done for PS cars assigned to The Sunset when that train was assigned a car in 1954 with drawing rooms and compartments, then in 1958 when it became the standard, all sleepers were painted in the new scheme with the red stripe in that lower position. 

Every picture in the SPT&HS sleeping car book  shows PS sleepers with that low stripe after the cars were repainted from UP colors, ttg and that Golden State red and silver

The N & W acquired E-units through its merger with the Wabash.  One of the trains to which these were assigned was the Banner Blue.

DavidP Wrote:
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> For some reason storage mail for the UP’s
> Overland route was primarily routed via the
> Burlington, even though the UP’s passenger
> partner on the east end was the Milwaukee, and
> before 1955 the C&NW.
>

RRs were regulated back then and they had no power to force shippers to use specific routes. The Post Office didn't give a rat's ass about how the people were routed. It selected RRs as it saw fit, generally selecting those offering the fastest schedules. So the Q handled the mail between Council Bluffs and Chicago. Another example: Seattle/Spokane - Chicago mail was routed GN to St. Paul and then Milw Rd to Chicago.

Best regards,

Rob L.