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Date: 02/13/20 20:11
More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: CA_Sou_MA_Agent

Here's the first ten minutes of the 1954 movie "Human Desire" where Glenn Ford and Edgar Buchanan played enginmen on the fictional Central National railroad.  Many of the scenes, including the FA, were shot on the Rock Island at or near El Reno, OK.  

What I'm curious about is the initial opening scene where the camera is looking down the track out the front of the locomotive.  The train runs through a truss bridge, and then passes a large water tank and coal loading tower and winds down a canyon with a river on the left.  

Does anyone know the location of this scene?  With the looks of some of the block signals and the terrain, I'm guessing it's somewhere on the D&RGW.  It's frustrating to watch as many of the opening credits are splashed on the screen, obscuring the "good stuff."  

Under "fair use" policies, I don't think we have to worry about copyright issues.  The entire film is on YouTube and what's shown here is just the first ten minutes.  



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/20 20:20 by CA_Sou_MA_Agent.

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Date: 02/13/20 20:43
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: Lurch_in_ABQ

Miss Wiki says the story has been filmed five times. Here's the 1938 version:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029957/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_B%C3%AAte_humaine



Date: 02/13/20 20:46
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: ts1457

What a mixture of stock film!

Did he run a 'stop' indication around 2:33?



Date: 02/13/20 21:07
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: wp1801

One scene looked like Harper's Ferry West Virginia.



Date: 02/13/20 22:01
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: UPNW2-1083

How on earth did the head end crew of a passenger train get so dirty?-BMT



Date: 02/14/20 02:22
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: ClubCar

wp1801 Wrote:
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> One scene looked like Harper's Ferry West
> Virginia.
Definitely is Harper's Ferry with a B&O train crossing over the Potomac River into West Virginia.
John in White Marsh, Maryland.



Date: 02/14/20 06:24
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: rbenko

At 2:28, in the shot of the engineer in the cab, the backdrop shows the Pulaski Skyway, a road bridge between Newark and Jersey City, NJ!!  

So in the first four minutes, we have the train traveling through (at least) Colorado, Harpers Ferry, WV, New Jersey, and at 3:28, the train is pulling into Albuquerque, NM - now THATS getting around!!

Can anyone identify any other locations?



Date: 02/14/20 06:31
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: Arved

UPNW2-1083 Wrote:
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> How on earth did the head end crew of a passenger
> train get so dirty?-BMT

Because they hostled their own locomotive?

Seems to me to be a few departures from reality in the name of theatrics.

Arved Grass
Fleming Island, FL
Arved Grass



Date: 02/14/20 07:49
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: FiveChime

Brodrick Crawford just before Highway Patrol.

Interesting railroad scenes.

Regards, Jim Evans



Date: 02/14/20 08:53
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: arelpy

4thDistrict Wrote:
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>
> And the loco miraculously morphed from a Santa Fe EMD passenger F unit at 3:20 into a Central National Alco FA at 3:40!

That "Central National" FA1 appears to be well weathered 6 year old Rock Island 153.
 



Date: 02/14/20 08:58
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: SPDRGWfan

Fun to watch still.



Date: 02/14/20 09:09
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: MILW16

That is certainly on incredibly long crew district! ;>)



Date: 02/14/20 09:15
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: BRAtkinson

Although my memory is fading these days, I clearly remember a thread about this movie plus a couple others that show up when searching for 'Human Desire' as exact phrase.

Movie: Railroad Movie "Human Desire", shot in El Reno

They certainly covered a lot of territory on that train, from east coast to west coast and everywhere in the middle.  But I never noticed they ran a red signal until ts1457 mentioned it.



Date: 02/14/20 11:08
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: JimBaker

Might the running of the STOP aspect on the signal have been because the scene was originally fllmed from the rear of the train and reversed for the actual copy. ??

James R.(Jim) Baker
Whittier, CA



Date: 02/14/20 11:19
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: ts1457

JimBaker Wrote:
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> Might the running of the STOP aspect on the signal
> have been because the scene was originally fllmed
> from the rear of the train and reversed for the
> actual copy. ??

You might be right. I was wondering that.



Date: 02/14/20 12:25
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: SPDRGWfan

It does look a mix of western and eastern rail scenes, but I imagine most viewers weren't too bothered by it.  It was/is pretty cool to farily clear movie footage of rail operatoins that long ago.  Some of the worst are from the period photographers switched from 16 mm film to video, which was very lo resolution at the time and is very fuzzy/blurry to watch.  



Date: 02/14/20 12:28
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: penncentral74

Where's Rodney Zona?
 



Date: 02/14/20 13:33
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: CA_Sou_MA_Agent

penncentral74 Wrote:
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> Where's Rodney Zona?


Funniest post for the day.  After viewing this footage, he's probably got steam shooting out of his ears and his eyes are rolling around in concentric circles. 
  



Date: 02/14/20 22:53
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: Evan_Werkema

CA_Sou_MA_Agent Wrote:

> What I'm curious about is the initial opening
> scene where the camera is looking down the track
> out the front of the locomotive.  The train runs
> through a truss bridge, and then passes a large
> water tank and coal loading tower and winds down a
> canyon with a river on the left.  
>
> Does anyone know the location of this scene? 

Wish I could help.  That wedge plow mounted on a gondola complete with a crew cab visible at 0:41 in the video has to be a one-off or at least a design unique to the railroad that owned it, but I sure haven't been able to locate another photo of it.



Date: 02/14/20 23:19
Re: More Analysis of the 1954 Movie "Human Desire"
Author: CA_Sou_MA_Agent

Evan_Werkema Wrote:
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> Wish I could help.  That wedge plow mounted on a gondola complete with a crew cab visible at 0:41 in the video has to be a one-off or at least a design unique to the railroad that owned it, but I sure haven't been able to locate another photo of it.


Another thing that's of interest is the coaling tower or transfer facility beyond the water tank.  It has an incline ramp that brings a track up above the mainline.  I don't believe this was a common feature for coaling towers.  Maybe this was a place where narrow-gauge interfaced with standard gauge and how the bulk commodity was exchanged.  There are a limited number of places where narrow and standard gauge had bulk commodity transfer facilities.  

I dunno.  It's a real mystery.  I watched the video again and it appears that ALL the track is standard gauge.  Why would they have a transfer facility like that where cars would be run up a ramp and then they'd dump their loads into other cars, if there was no difference in gauges?  



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/20 23:37 by CA_Sou_MA_Agent.



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