Nostalgia & History > Questions: SFe Golden Gates

I assume the fare LA to SF was the same on the Golden Gate as on the Daylight? What was the one-way coach fare in 1938, and later?

If a Golden Gate was scheduled to leave Oakland 90 min after its consist arrived from Bakersfield, presumably they had to wye it at Oakland? Where?

Did engine crews run Oakland to Riverbank or wherever? Or could a yard crew run the train Oakland to Richmond?

timz Wrote:
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> Did engine crews run Oakland to Riverbank or
> wherever? Or could a yard crew run the train
> Oakland to Richmond?

Ya better ask Rodney those last two questions : )

I believe they wyed it west of the depot in Bfl. I used to ride that rocket as a kid - California's first high-speed train!!

Bill Deaver
Tehachapi, CA

Topfuel Wrote:
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> timz Wrote:
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> > Did engine crews run Oakland to Riverbank or
> > wherever? Or could a yard crew run the train
> > Oakland to Richmond?
>
> Ya better ask Rodney those last two questions : )

In response to your first question  Richmond, CA road engine crews on the AT&SF Golden Gates ran between Oakland and Rivverbank, CA   in the early 1950's, Later ran between  Richmond and Fresno, CA after Riverbank crew change was eliminated, In response to your second question road engine crews on the Golden Gates begin and ends their tour of duty at downtown Oakland and a Richmond yard crew deadhead the Santa Fe RR passenger equipments from Oakland to Richmond or vice versa,  Started on June 15, 1958 old Golden Gates as well as the SF Chief passenger trains begin and ends its run at Richmond, CA. Thanks for your questions.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/20 05:09 by RodneyZona.

timz Wrote:

> I assume the fare LA to SF was the same on the
> Golden Gate as on the Daylight? What was the
> one-way coach fare in 1938, and later?

The February 15, 1939 edition of the Oakland Tribune has an ad for the Golden Gate service on page 8 that touts fares from San Francisco to LA of $6.00 one way and $10.80 round trip.  From Oakland to LA, the tariff was $5.93 one way and $10.70 round trip.

The June 30, 1939 edition of the Bakerfield Californian has a Santa Fe ad for their service to the Golden Gate International Exposition on page 2.  The fares (presumably from Bakersfield) are $4.32 one way and $7.80 round trip to San Francisco via either the twice daily Golden Gate or the supplimental Valley Flyer.

The December 18, 1941 edition of the Pasadena Post has an ad for the Golden Gate service on page 10.  The fares "from Hollywood" are $5.15 one way to San Francisco, $9.30 round trip.  The ad also lists fares for intermediate points: $1.55/$2.80 to Bakersfield, $2.74/$4.95 to Hanford, $3.08/$5.55 to Fresno, $3.92/$7.10 to Merced, $4.60/$8.30 to Stockton.

> If a Golden Gate was scheduled to leave Oakland 90
> min after its consist arrived from Bakersfield,
> presumably they had to wye it at Oakland? Where?

A few photos from the early days of the service suggest they wyed the trains at 26th St.: https://goo.gl/maps/ERbjpudcU5n4HhAs9

I don't now how long this lasted, but in later years, the trains were turned on a different wye on Hubbard St. closer to the Santa Fe "Oakland" depot.  The tail track of this wye was short enough that the train had to be wyed in sections: https://goo.gl/maps/S6VpuYYgsbqqiY2q7

timz Wrote:
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> I assume the fare LA to SF was the same on the
> Golden Gate as on the Daylight? What was the
> one-way coach fare in 1938, and later?



> If a Golden Gate was scheduled to leave Oakland 90
> min after its consist arrived from Bakersfield,
> presumably they had to wye it at Oakland? Where?

After the Golden Gates arrived at Oakland, the Richnond yard crew took over rhe Golden Gate equipment there and deadheaded to Richmond to spin the equipment around on the wye there and  deadheaded back to Oakland where the road passenger train crews took over  for the trip back to Fresno and Bakersfield.


> Did engine crews run Oakland to Riverbank or
> wherever? Or could a yard crew run the train
> Oakland to Richmond?

MojaveBill wrote:

> I believe they wyed it west of the depot in Bfl.

I don't know about the early years of the Golden Gates but in the '60s, the standard procedure was for the power to swap ends on the train while it was parked in front of the Bakersfield depot.

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johnsweetser Wrote:

> I don't know about the early years of the Golden
> Gates but in the '60s, the standard procedure was
> for the power to swap ends on the train while it
> was parked in front of the Bakersfield depot.

The round-end observation cars came off around 1958, correct?

Evan_Werkema Wrote:
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> timz Wrote:
>
> > I assume the fare LA to SF was the same on the
> > Golden Gate as on the Daylight? What was the
> > one-way coach fare in 1938, and later?
>
> The February 15, 1939 edition of the Oakland
> Tribune has an ad for the Golden Gate service on
> page 8 that touts fares from San Francisco to LA
> of $6.00 one way and $10.80 round trip.  From
> Oakland to LA, the tariff was $5.93 one way and
> $10.70 round trip.
>
> The June 30, 1939 edition of the Bakerfield
> Californian has a Santa Fe ad for their service to
> the Golden Gate International Exposition on page
> 2.  The fares (presumably from Bakersfield) are
> $4.32 one way and $7.80 round trip to San
> Francisco via either the twice daily Golden Gate
> or the supplimental Valley Flyer.
>
> The December 18, 1941 edition of the Pasadena Post
> has an ad for the Golden Gate service on page
> 10.  The fares "from Hollywood" are $5.15 one way
> to San Francisco, $9.30 round trip.  The ad also
> lists fares for intermediate points: $1.55/$2.80
> to Bakersfield, $2.74/$4.95 to Hanford,
> $3.08/$5.55 to Fresno, $3.92/$7.10 to Merced,
> $4.60/$8.30 to Stockton.
>
> > If a Golden Gate was scheduled to leave Oakland
> 90
> > min after its consist arrived from Bakersfield,
> > presumably they had to wye it at Oakland?
> Where?
>
> A few photos from the early days of the service
> suggest they wyed the trains at 26th St.:
> https://goo.gl/maps/ERbjpudcU5n4HhAs9
>
> I don't now how long this lasted, but in later
> years, the trains were turned on a different wye
> on Hubbard St. closer to the Santa Fe "Oakland"
> depot.  The tail track of this wye was short
> enough that the train had to be wyed in sections:
> https://goo.gl/maps/S6VpuYYgsbqqiY2q7

Our friend google reports SP Daylight SF-LA fare was $9.47 one way, and $14.00 RT.

AA

Stanford White
Carmel Valley, CA

Reading further, it is mentioned that the lower ATSF fares had caused SP to lower their prices to $6.00 one way, and $10.80 RT in 1938.

AA

Stanford White
Carmel Valley, CA