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Date: 12/16/21 06:25
Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: CNStratford

December 16 1971-Oakland CA-In 1971 I was intrigued by this two section Southern Pacific coach.  Little did I know that it would later become part of my life.
I'm intrigued that even at the time of the picture, the coach was in the freight yard.  Was it already on its way to a new owner?
Eventually it became part of the Algoma Central Agawa Canyon Train.  From there, "my" railway society (Bytown Railway Society in Ottawa Canada) acquired it for use on their Gatineau tourist train.
This was our only car with a retention toilet.  We had no emptying facilities and "slops" were removed by dumping the sludge into a garbage can and then tipping the crap into a toilet in our work area.






Date: 12/16/21 06:58
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: colehour

I seem to recall riding on an Amtrak train between Oakland and Los Angeles in the '80s that had some of the articulated coaches. Am I correct or am I dreaming?



Date: 12/16/21 07:07
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: Topfuel

CNStratford Wrote:
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> December 16 1971-Oakland CA-In 1971 I was
> intrigued by this two section Southern Pacific
> coach.  Little did I know that it would later
> become part of my life.
> I'm intrigued that even at the time of the
> picture, the coach was in the freight yard.  Was
> it already on its way to a new owner?
> Eventually it became part of the Algoma Central
> Agawa Canyon Train.  From there, "my" railway
> society (Bytown Railway Society in Ottawa Canada)
> acquired it for use on their Gatineau tourist
> train.

​I don't think your car was this one, as this used to be a triple-unit diner.  The SP scrapped the middle (kitchen) section of the twin unit, retaining one 3-axle truck, and attached the two end cars together, gutted the interiors, and made them into coaches with no vestibules.  Not sure if they had any toilets.  Your car was an as-built articulated coach if I recall correctly. 



Date: 12/16/21 07:07
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: 3rdswitch

Interesting catch. Never noticed the middle truck had three axles?
JB



Date: 12/16/21 07:57
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: WP-M2051

Topfuel Wrote:
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> CNStratford Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > train.
>
> ​I don't think your car was this one, as this
> used to be a triple-unit diner.  The SP scrapped
> the middle (kitchen) section of the twin unit,
> retaining one 3-axle truck, and attached the two
> end cars together, gutted the interiors, and made
> them into coaches with no vestibules.  Not sure
> if they had any toilets.  Your car was an
> as-built articulated coach if I recall
> correctly. 

I do not think this car went to Algoma Central.  Of course it's an articulated chair car, not a duplex coach.



Date: 12/16/21 07:58
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: PHall

3rdswitch Wrote:
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> Interesting catch. Never noticed the middle truck
> had three axles?
> JB

Only the cars converted from the triple unit diner had the three axle truck.



Date: 12/16/21 08:02
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: BigSkyBlue

colehour Wrote:
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> I seem to recall riding on an Amtrak train between
> Oakland and Los Angeles in the '80s that had some
> of the articulated coaches. Am I correct or am I
> dreaming?

Amtrak certainly did acquire and operate several SP articulated coaches, and relettered them for Amtrak, but I don't think they lasted until the 80's.  BSB  



Date: 12/16/21 09:45
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: goldcoast

SP 2280-SP 2281 fondly known as the "bowling alley cars".  Used on trains #51 and #52.



Date: 12/16/21 09:51
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: colehour

rantoul Wrote:
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> SP articulated coach (trainorders.com)

Thanks for the link. I forgot that I had asked the same question back in 2008 and had received some good answers!



Date: 12/16/21 13:14
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: WAF

Don't believe this car went to the AC



Date: 12/16/21 13:28
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: BoilingMan

Yeah, I doubt this particular car went anywhere- it was an orphan if ever there was.  No toilets or side doors (vestibules) made for a pretty miserable coach.  Without side doors for emergency exits I should think FRA rules caught up with it at some point.
SR

Nice catch of a rare car though!



Date: 12/16/21 15:51
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: MojaveBill

I believe they always ran it between cars with bathrooms next to each end.
I also rememember a pic of it coupled to a tavern car which also had no vestibules.
ESPEE probably had more articulated cars than any other road. 
As a kid I rode all of them and I don't think anyone of the public ever noticed or cared.
I kitbashed many of them in my model railroading days...

Bill Deaver
Tehachapi, CA



Date: 12/16/21 16:00
Re: Southern Pacific Duplex Coach-Oakland 1971
Author: WAF

BoilingMan Wrote:
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> Yeah, I doubt this particular car went anywhere-
> it was an orphan if ever there was.  No toilets
> or side doors (vestibules) made for a pretty
> miserable coach.  Without side doors for
> emergency exits I should think FRA rules caught up
> with it at some point.
> SR
>
> Nice catch of a rare car though!
Toilet, a broom closet affair, was at each end of the car. unisex. Definately a supply car, that ran on specials and summer consists on the Daylights



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