Nostalgia & History > Need some more SP locations

These first two Ernie Haase slides from the Jeff Moreau collection at the Southern California Railway Museum aren't labeled with their locations.  The mountains are a good match to Ogden, UT, but I'm having trouble finding photos showing buildings like the ones in these views in the vicinity of Ogden Union Station.

1) SP business car 140 Stanford with another business car in May 1969.

2) SP dome car whose number is too distant and faint to read.  The train to the left also has an SP dome. 

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The next two don't have a lot of landmarks, but they DO have the location written on the slide mounts!  Unfortunately, I can't figure out what the fellow wrote!  As someone with horrible handwriting myself, I've had to get good at unscrambling my own chicken-scratch, but I still struggle with others' handiwork.

3) SP 5694 east on the first section of train 830 on March 1, 1959...

4) ...with H12-44 1575 tagging along behind the road power.

5) Photo of the slide mounts.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/17/24 22:52 by Evan_Werkema.

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We'll finish off with a couple of vintage "impossibles" from the Jeff Moreau collection:

6) Baldwin DRS-6-6-1500 #5209 has a roll on a long drag as it parallels a double-track electrified line - somewhere.

7) Extra 2533 is clearly passing through the small town of Rooms, NV...or not...

Thanks for any help!

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#2 Ogden, last one, Yreka or Hornbrook.

Great series nonetheless. I am sure some of our California old heads can pick some names out if the writing on the slides. I think I know what they are but don't want to commit to an answer without a timetable handy. I really like the shot of the 5209. I imagine this is a shot of a hauler job in the LA area. I bet you could haul anything with those big Baldwins!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/17/24 21:58 by GN599.

weather Wrote:

> last one, Yreka or Hornbrook.

Thanks for the suggestions, Mike.  SP didn't serve Yreka, and the hills don't match Hornbrook: https://maps.app.goo.gl/g4kLsbSX5kbhuHXj6

Second slide mount seems to say Bena (which is north of Tahachapi Loop).

Incredible photos. Check out the "ice only" cart in pic 1. Cool. 

clem Wrote:

> Second slide mount seems to say Bena (which is north of Tahachapi Loop).

It does...but Bena, CA doesn't have anywhere near that many trees:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/h5iPwbTtKCQR8aib7

Also, the 1959 employee timetables on Wx4 do not show a train numbered 830 running on the San Joaquin Division over Tehachapi:

https://wx4.org/to/foam/sp/maps/perryETT/1959-04-26SP_SanJoaquin189-SheldonPerry.pdf

There was a train 830 on the Los Angeles Division running down the coast, but I'm not finding a station name in that territory that looks like the scribble on the slide mounts:

https://wx4.org/to/foam/sp/maps/perryETT/1959-09-27SP_LA216-SheldonPerry.pdf

I'm thinking #3,4,5 are in the Santa Clara River Valley, and the note on the #2 slide mount says Piru.  If I go to google maps and look at the hills around there, they have a similar look though I've not found an identical background.

Kit Courter
Canyon Lake, CA
LunarLight Photography

Possibly "near Santa Susanna"? Looks like it could be along Los Angeles Ave, though the area looks so different now so it is hard to be certain.

Yog-Sothoth Wrote:

> Possibly "near Santa Susanna"? Looks like it could be along Los Angeles Ave, though the area looks so different now so it is hard to be certain.

What we can still see of the hills coming and going does look pretty close:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/je1P5eH4UFqKLZx99
https://maps.app.goo.gl/JjJnw8ptGUUBmwQi6

Evan_Werkema Wrote: > ... I still struggle with others' handiwork ...

Oh my, do I ever "feel your pain"! Having worked a few years now with other photographers' collections I can vouch for the frustrating difficulties of trying to decipher handwriting on 2x2 inch slides. And that plight extends to the backs of prints, even 5x7 and 8x10 sized prints, where there is NO excuse for not attaching clearly legible information. The only man I ever saw with 100% completely legible handwriting on 2x2 slides was Bill Gibson, aka 'WAG Sr'. His cursive style was easier to read than many others' block printing...

Lance

number six COULD be (southbound) railroad eastbound, approaching Dolores yard in Carson, CA, SP's San Pedro Sub and PE's Wilmington Sub were just that far apart paralelling Alameda Street?
JB

These are both Ogden, UT

In photo #1, the "ICE Only" cart's deck is the just right height to slide 200-300 lb ice cakes into the below-the-floor ice bunkers of passenger cars equipped with ice-cooled air conditioning. (Inside the ice bunker, the ice cakes sat on a serpentine-bent 1-1/2" pipe, which was part of a closed-loop system was filled with brine. A small 32VDC pump circulated the chilled brine from the bunker to a heat exchanger (radiator) in the air-conditioning plenum, where a 32VDC fan blew incoming outside air through the radiator and into the car. The brine then returned to the ice bunker piping. At Niles Canyon Railway, "Harriman Common Standard" design S.P. 1975 "All Day Lunch" still has ice-cooled air-conditioning.) 

By the time this photo was taken, S.P. probably didn't have any ice-air-conditioned passenger cars in service, except maybe for special events. But the ice cart would still be handy to deliver ice to those 3 business cars. (You can't make Manhattan cocktails without ice...)

- Doug Debs

Thanks for the explanation. They shoved
the ice cakes into the bunker whole?
Any idea how long they lasted?

No doubt the distant ridge in pic 4 is at the center of https://maps.app.goo.gl/HJrqtigLLfvX7qxA8

Great mystery, thanks.

#2 and #3 looks like they were taken between Oxnard and Camarillo. This location would be west of the big curve approaching Camarillo.


Keith_Kevet

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