Nostalgia & History > Muni Railway PCCs

Muni #1107 at 23rd & Juday in Sep. 1968. - Tony J.

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PCCs #1166 and 1145 lay over at the N-Judah loop at 48th & La Playa in Sept. 1968. - Tony J.

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Muni double-ended #1015 going down West Portal in Sept. 1968. - Tony J.

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Technicaly the Muni double ended cars are not PCCs. (Something about royalties.) The PERy PCCs were PCCs, built by Pullman Standard, I believe. Unfortunately none were saved here. At the time the Orange Empire folks told me that they were in too poor mechanical condition.

joemagruder Wrote:
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> Technicaly the Muni double ended cars are not
> PCCs. (Something about royalties.) The PERy PCCs
> were PCCs, built by Pullman Standard, I believe.
> Unfortunately none were saved here. At the time
> the Orange Empire folks told me that they were in
> too poor mechanical condition.


The origjnal double end Muni cars (1001-1005) were not PCCs. The next bunch (1006-1015) were PCCs as the city charter provision regarding royalties was amended.

stash Wrote:
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> joemagruder Wrote:
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> > Technicaly the Muni double ended cars are
> not
> > PCCs. (Something about royalties.) The PERy
> PCCs
> > were PCCs, built by Pullman Standard, I
> believe.
> > Unfortunately none were saved here. At the
> time
> > the Orange Empire folks told me that they
> were in
> > too poor mechanical condition.
>
>
> The origjnal double end Muni cars (1001-1005) were
> not PCCs. The next bunch (1006-1015) were PCCs as
> the city charter provision regarding royalties was
> amended.

I wasn't sure myself so I looked it up. The ten double-end cars WEER PCCs, although the body shells were nearly identical with the prewar "Magic Carpet" cars. Those "Magic Carpet" cars were the ones that got around paying royalities. I remember riding in one or two of them and I think they used controllers. - Tony J.

TonyJ Wrote:
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> I wasn't sure myself so I looked it up. The ten
> double-end cars WEER PCCs, although the body
> shells were nearly identical with the prewar
> "Magic Carpet" cars. Those "Magic Carpet" cars
> were the ones that got around paying royalities. I
> remember riding in one or two of them and I think
> they used controllers. - Tony J.


Yes, instead of foot pedals, they had a controller for power and brake. One exists at the Rio Vista Junction museum.