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European Railroad Discussion > Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museumDate: 07/14/21 13:39 Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: petmew I noticed some Dutch pictures here on TO, so I will add some, too.
Sometime in the nineties I was taking some pictures of the last of the Dutch Class 1200 electric locomotives in service with the Dutch National Railways. As is clearly visible, they were bought using Marshall-help-credits. Little did I know, that I would run five of them in their second live with freight operator ACTS Nederland in the early 2000s. Anyways, the driver asked me, if I'd like to hop in the cab for a ride, and so I did! Picture 1 is 1201 at Zandvoort aan Zee, end of the line. https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/1200_60ef47132a4b6.jpg Pictures 2 and 3 are the main and auxiliary workstations. https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/Maindesk_60ef4ac70d3bd.jpg https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/Auxdesk_60ef4ad5a3cbf.jpg    Date: 07/14/21 13:43 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: petmew Picture 1 shows one of the rare 90 degree rail-rail crossings in the Netherlands.
https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/Hlm1_60ef4b94cd2e6.jpg Picture 2 shows entering Haarlem. Note the same type of shunting engines as in the other recent post about Haarlem. Those kind of engines are common with Dutch museum railways nowadays. Some even still in use with private railway undertakings. https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/Hlm_60ef4ba79bb9d.jpg Picture 3 shows entering Amsterdam. The buildings to the left are gone, a new part of the railway station and a bus station are there now. And above the track we're entering, you can now sleep in an hotel! https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/Asd_60ef4bb7cb468.jpg    Date: 07/14/21 13:53 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: petmew This one is a somewhat better picture of those shunting engines. The little ones sometimes grew a crane. The could reach about 40 mph, but didn't have the matching braking power, it being only mechanical.
https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/200600_60ef4d8d6602e.jpg And here two pictures of another American-inspired type, one in the old brown colour, one in yellow-grey. Did run those to, lot of noise, not matching power (less then 900 HP). https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/2200_brown_60ef4db4be74f.jpg https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/2200_yellow_60ef4d9a1e133.jpg    Date: 07/14/21 13:59 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: petmew And some museum stuff. In the Netherlands we de-steamed in about 1957. The museums became active later, so most of the big locomotives were no more. In Germany (and Austria) there was steam until the seventies and so there the big locomotives were bought.
Here's SSN (Stoom Stichting Nederland) 01 1075 in Hengelo, the Netherlands. https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/0110_60ef4eeec3841.jpg SSN 23 023 leaving Hilversum for Amersfoort https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/23_60ef4ef99c2a0.jpg And former SSN (now VSM) 52 3879 passing Mariënberg for Zwolle. https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1566000/52_60ef4f044fcc7.jpg    Date: 07/15/21 09:55 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: 86235 Excellent set, those 1200s were firm favourites of mine. I spent a most enjoyable day in July 2007 chasing Mercia Railtours That Which Survives tour around the Netherlands with three ACTS locos, including 1251.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/21 09:55 by 86235. Date: 07/15/21 11:24 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: smf2mry Thanks for the photo of the Haarlem Station, it gives me a better idea of where I took my photos from.
Date: 07/16/21 00:22 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: wpamtk Photos 8 and 9: those units have a Whitcomb look about them.
Date: 07/16/21 15:18 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: SOO6617 I have a Cab Ride video from Amersfoort to Kifhoek Yard the long way round via Amsterdam on the Leeuwarden Shuttle an empty garbage train. The 1200 with its manual transition, makes a beautiful clicking sound in the cab as the Driver works his way up and down the notches, and there are a lot of steps.
Date: 07/16/21 19:35 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: Steinzeit2 Those photos are quite enjoyable, especially the controls and the views from the cab. Please post more !
Best regards, SZ Date: 07/17/21 02:41 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: petmew SOO6617 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I have a Cab Ride video from Amersfoort to Kifhoek > Yard the long way round via Amsterdam on the > Leeuwarden Shuttle an empty garbage train. The > 1200 with its manual transition, makes a beautiful > clicking sound in the cab as the Driver works his > way up and down the notches, and there are a lot > of steps Amersfoort to Kijfhoek with the Leeuwarden Shuttle should be the loaded normal container train, 29 Sgns-container cars. A lot of powder milk loaded standard 20 ft. containers weighing about 20 metric tons each heading to the port of Rotterdam for the Middle East. In that direction we also had a ACTS 6700 locomotive as second engine, which we controlled manually from the 1200 desk with separate controls. I'm not sure we did a lot of household garbage trains with an electric 1200, as that would make it hard to do the shunting at the start and destination, without overhead wire. The 1200 looks great and was fun to run, but was in itself more a passenger intercity engine; not too powerful in the lower speed range to get a heavy freight train started within the melting time versus Amperage of the resistor-banks, hence the diesel 6700 add-on. Within about 10-15 seconds the train had to accelerate enough to get the line amperage to the traction-motors for the next step low enough, so sometimes you couldn't notch up within the time limit. So you had to notch back a couple of notches to give the resistor-banks some time to cool down, before using them again. I'll post a few more pictures! Date: 07/18/21 12:16 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: Steinzeit2 petmew Wrote:
>....... In that direction we also had a ACTS 6700 > locomotive as second engine, which we controlled > manually from the 1200 desk with separate > controls......... That would be an ex-SNCB 62 class equipped with MU and possibly push-pull trainset equipped ? Was that done with a "portable" controller connected by cable to the 6700, by a radio link, or by a second set of controls installed in the 1200's cab ? What functions were controlled ? More information and perhaps a photo if possible, please, I think this is very interesting. With best regards, SZ Date: 07/18/21 23:58 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: petmew Yes, we had five former NMBS 6200 and used their multiple-cable.
Our type 1200 locomotives got sockets for the MU-cable coming from the diesel. Compare the front of the locomotive of the attached picture with the first one of this topic. If I remember correctly: on top of the controller in the cab we had a fixed basic controller for the diesel: - Communication/contact - Reverser - 0+8 notches - Sander - Defect (engine alarm bell). I don't have a picture of that set-up (yet...).  Date: 07/19/21 17:15 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: Steinzeit2 Thank you for the photo and additional information; certainly an economical way of not only producing additional tractive effort but giving 'last mile' capability as well.
SZ Date: 07/21/21 07:55 Re: Some more Dutch rail photographs, American and museum Author: petmew So, a former colleague of mine was friendly enough to send me a more recent picture of the now RailExperts 1200 cab.
Left, on top of the control-stand, you see the set-up to control the diesel engine. I guess notch 9 came free with this switch... https://cdn.trainorders.com/attachments/thumbs/1567000/RailExperts_1200_cab_60f8340ae27b3.jpg  |