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Railroaders' Nostalgia > Cantara-the rest of the story Part 1Date: 05/30/12 20:37 Cantara-the rest of the story Part 1 Author: photobob Since the story of the infamous Cantara Spill has been brought up again, John Signor has asked me to post the following story. I was living up here in Dunsmuir during this incident and was put on a retainer with the railroad to photograph SP's effort to clean up the river. It was quite a time. Its a 7 part story which is quite interesting.
GMO 89748 My name is John Signor. I Hired out with the Southern Pacific at Tracy, California, as a trainman for the San Joaquin Valley melon rush on July 15, 1974. I transferred to Dunsmuir in 1977. Boomed around the system in the 1980s while cut off working in Nevada, Arizona, California, Texas and New Mexico. Didn’t turn much of a wheel after 1989. I was working a lot on special assignment for SP by this time and was busy. Besides, they had just gotten rid of the cabooses and I was not as enthusiastic to be out on the road as before. Through a remarkable chain of events—even though I assure you I was a solid "D" student in high school English—I wound up writing a number of books on SP history, starting with the railroad out of Dunsmuir and over the Siskiyou Mountains in 1980. Recently I released my 11th book—on the Salt Lake Division. Aware of my books, Charlie Babers, who was General Manager at San Francisco, asked me one time while I was visiting One Market how I found time to write all these books and still work for the SP. Before I could reply, he had thought it through and said—don’t answer that. (For many years these books were researched and written on company time while laying over at Company housing or sitting in sidings for hours.) I liked Mr. Babers, he was a true old-school railroader, but I did cross him once and after he was through giving me a piece of his mind (he was notorious for this) I asked him if it was true that he broke all the windows in the Polly Coach. He was shocked first, that I knew what the "Polly" was and second, that I knew what he did to it. (this was car 3150 assigned to the Dawson Branch mixed out of Tucumcari NM). He never spoke against me after that. I started to do a lot of consulting for various people at SP including Mike Brown and Mike Furtney in Public Relations, Bob MacIntyre and Bart Nadeau in Marketing, and various people in Law. I left the SP before the “merger” in 1995 and am now self-employed connected with several historical Societies and serve as a consultant regarding SP matters on occasion for the UP. A couple of years ago I was asked to speak before the retired SP Executives Club at the Family Club in San Francisco. Rather than talk about railroad history, I decided to tell them about my experiences with GMO 89748 and I thought I would share them with you as well. GMO 89748 was the Southern Pacific General Manager’s Order for expenditure on the infamous Cantara Spill. This was a serious, high-profile, railroad-caused ecological disaster which happened in my back yard, so to speak. Its hard to believe that it was 20 years ago now, but about 9:45 p.m. Sunday, July 14, 1991, a 97-car eastbound empty drag string-lined across the 14-degree Loop at Cantara a few miles north of Dunsmuir in the Sacramento River Canyon at 11mph and derailed a tank car into the Sacramento River. During the night the car leaked some 19,000 gallons of an agricultural chemical called Metam Sodium into the river, which killed fish and plant life for a distance of 45 miles—all the way south to Shasta Lake. The following morning was muggy and overcast in Dunsmuir. My wife complained of a headache early in the morning. But otherwise life went on as usual, or so we thought. During the day, the freeway was strangely quite. The story began to spread, and by mid-day the lawyers, environmental activists, media, government agencies and politicians were all looking at their maps to find out where the hell Dunsmuir was. I was already doing a lot of work for the SP in San Francisco at the time and Andy Anderson of Public Relations asked me to sit in on an impromptu “town meeting” that had been called in the afternoon to see what was said, which I did. Thus I was ushered into the spill from day 1 and as things turned out, would be involved in SP’s mitigation efforts for the next five years from the inside. My wife was on the city council at the time. The spill changed our lives. While SP was clearly responsible for the initial tragedy, and we knew people and businesses that were adversely affected by it, the excesses of everything that followed far overshadowed the derailment and spill to the extent that I have ceased to trust or believe in the media, lawyers, politicians, environmentalists etc. Date: 05/30/12 20:38 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 2 Author: photobob The meeting had been called by high-profile San Francisco lawyer Melvin Beli, and it
was little more than a shouting match. As 150 angry, confused and frightened townspeople crowded the Eagles hall within 50 feet of the SP main line, the media – ABC, NBC, PBS, several papers and CNN – smelling blood, circled like sharks. So did those seeking media attention. At the meeting we watched as... - A self-styled local shaman gave testimony of how he waded into the river to “watch the fish die” and was now going to sue because of his ailments. - Members of Green Peace arrived in a timely manner from the college town of Chico and attempted to weld a steel coffin to the rails in front of the cameras while wearing Halloween skeleton suits. - Earth First representatives compared the incident to Exxon Valdez. - Local businessmen charged that SP “had taken the Best Water on Earth away from us.” We need to sue to which a lawyer in attendance said it was easy - “I’ve sued SP lots of times.” - A resident of Castella along the river just below us shouted “we can’t believe the government or the SP, we need attorneys now-lets go get ‘em!” In that he was partly right. As soon as local government and law enforcement officials were aware of what was happening things rapidly escalated, but for the residents of Dunsmuir information was short in supply. Two command posts were established - at Mount Shasta, about five miles north of town, and Redding an hour south on the interstate, neither of which was within five miles of the river. By noon the first day, more than 300 personnel from 63 separate agencies were involved. There was a power struggle to see who was in charge. I saw the documents later, and someone thoughtfully penciled in an SP representative on the last page at the last minute. Interstate 5 was closed for six hours the first day 65 miles from Weed to Redding, as well as the air space, but no one ever thought to inform local residents or evacuate river side towns like Dunsmuir, and in fact they wouldn’t even let us leave - all the on ramps were blocked. Once organized, teams of hazmat people descended on SP crews at Cantara seriously delaying efforts to get things out of the river. But where the average citizen was restricted, the lawyers and media were given easy access. The town began to fill up with remote satellite dishes, power generators and cable and reporters and camera crews looking for a story. Legitimate concerns of residents were drowned out by the frenzy of media excess. We watched in amazement as the news spread the story of the spill in the most glorified terms imaginable... - SP had killed all life for a distance of 45 miles defoliating the hillsides (to which they added helicopter shots of Shasta lake shoreline where a five year drought had dropped the lake level 40 feet exposing stumps and bare sides) - “Stan the fixit man,” a regular at the local Flamingo Club, complained on camera that his 300 pound wife had almost continuous diarriah. We had to agree that she looked pitiful. - An SP environmental hazmat contractor was assaulted on the street in Redding by a man claiming to be from a group called the “Cantara Revenge Team.” - I remember KTVU 2 Oakland reporter Bob McKenzie standing on the Butterfly bridge over the river in Dunsmuir at dusk with a camera crew explaining to his viewers how the spill had killed all fish, plant and insect life along river as thousands of gnats swarmed the hot lights. - Angry mob scenes from the first impromptu meeting were shown again and again as were as many dead fish as possible, as were the crazies. Redding and Sacramento papers came out with special tabloid sections detailing the first ten days of the spill using skull and cross bones as daily icons and then congratulated themselves by doing thumbnail profiles and mug shots of their investigative teams. - SP was covering up. And government officials (not the local ones at Dunsmuir I might add) were sure of it. Date: 05/30/12 20:39 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 3 Author: photobob Into this morass on the second day stepped Bob Taggert, Senior Vice President Public
affairs, representing the SP. I attended every public meeting he went to on behalf of the SP. With such a confusion of “who’s in charge,” whipped up by the media, lawyers and vocal people with agendas, its a wonder he wasn’t strung up and I can tell you from my perspective that he earned every bit of his $500 an hour 24 hours a day plus expenses facing the mob. - As things turned out he was the first of a long line of high priced consultants brought in by SP to stabilize the situation. Meanwhile SP crews were picking up the derailment and cleaning up the chemical at Shasta Lake. What the media never saw was the crew on the ill-fated train. I knew them both, Bill Kirby, a sort of biker type was the Conductor and better out of the public eye. Jack Lahey was the Engineer. It was a flange oiler that was the problem, not crew error - the locomotives slipped and yanked the train. SP took great pains to keep the media away from Bill, Jack and the crews cleaning up the mess so they could get things done. Jack however was a bit of a card and for the next several months he wore a large button to work that read “I made Dunsmuir Famous.” Another of his antics was to show up on helpers with a paper bag over his head as the “unknown engineer.” One of the first things SP did was set up a claims office in Dunsmuir. They imported claims people from Sacramento, San Francisco and as far away as El Paso to staff the office. I remember Floyd Parker, Alan Wickard and Ed Bickford from Sacramento and a cute gal named Marini from El Paso, - They set up in the Travelers Hotel, a local flop house. SP paid to have the lobby thoroughly fumigated and restrooms cleaned and stocked. But soon discovered residents stealing toilet paper and janitorial supplies, so they had to lock the restrooms. - For the first few weeks anybody could walk in and claim something and get $5,000 if they just signed a waiver. I remember a little elderly German guy from Marin asking for a hotel – the place where they were giving away the free money. - One guy who was in county jail at the time in Yreka for trying to kill an associate with a home made bomb filed a claim. - Residents from as divergent locations as Tacoma, Phoenix, and Salt Lake City had claimed to have driven through Dunsmuir (on the day the freeway was closed I might add) and were seeking claims. - A woman living in Weed, about 12 miles north of us claimed her horse had had a continuous erection since the spill - lawyers were naturally interested in this. - those that made out were the ones that brought legitimate claims to the SP - many held out for millions and wound up in a class action suit and most received very little. Meanwhile we were on the map. I remember at the time ordering something over the phone. Before the spill we always had to spell the name of the town and tell people it was “near Mt. Shasta.” After the spill the first reaction was “how are you, are you still alive” After a week, the Company sent up George Farosich to replace Taggert as the voice of the SP for the spill. George held the title Senior AVP sales and was close to retirement. He had been born at the old SP town of Port Costa on the Western Division where his father had been yardmaster. One of the first things George did when he came to town was call me. The Shasta Divsion offices had been cut back. No full time officer on duty, no secure phone lines or offices. I had a new house (just built that summer) with computers, three phone lines, fax, and an established arrangement with San Francisco - my house became the defacto mitigation offices. George Farosich, all the claims people, President Mohan, Chairman Moyers, Mike Furtney, Ed McGrath from HRO law firm in Denver, Paula Amanda, the FRA, various consultants, etc. all used my home office as a touch point. I was on what they called the Reserve Board at Dunsmuir at the time (getting paid to stay home so SP could go Conductor only on the division) and once George got ahold of me I began working full time on the spill for SP as a consultant as well. Date: 05/30/12 20:40 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 4 Author: photobob George had earned his stripes wining and dining shippers aboard the business cars.
He tells the story of entertaining some Japanese auto manufacturers aboard the train with all the silver and polish one might expect, in the company of VP Traffic Frank Kriebel, VP Operations Dick Spence, General Manager R.L. King, and other high SP officials. At one point, to the horror of those in attendance, Mr. Toyota picked up a finger bowl filled with lemon-scented water with both hands and began to drink. As the others looked on in horror, George thinking quickly, picked up his finger bowl and began to drink as well. The others followed suit and an awkward situation was diffused! SP Business cars Airslie and Sunset were set up at Redding and night after night George held court, entertaining local dignitaries, politicians, media and the like. I watched him work. Before dinner, mixed drinks were freely dispensed in large glass goblets and soon everyone was in the proper spirit—George included—laughing and talking. However, the attendant on the cars told me later that, while George appeared to be in the cups as much as everyone, he had specifically requested only ginger ale on these occasions. Thus in this relaxed atmosphere people talked and George listened. One of the first big things we did was organize the Shasta Daylight Special or “Dead Fish Daylight” over Labor Day Weekend with steam locomotive 4449. - for three days we ran up and down the canyon giving free rides to the public, media and politicians. the public loved them, but the media concentrated on protestors against the train and the politicians (who paid a token fare to be above suspicion) took notes. - I learned a lesson here. When the media was around asking questions, all the SP guys disappeared leaving me holding the bag! - SP officials were on board the train as well, including President Mike Mohan. I remember this because I was assigned the task to pick him up at the airport and I locked us out of the Company Bronco. - Mohan publically stated that SP would build a special containment wall bridge at Cantara Loop. It was never built on SP’s watch due to a variety of reasons, including Corps of Engineers review, stalling the project. -But a number of projects were undertaken to provide and enhance recreational opportunities until the river came back. -A much-publicized River Clean Up eventually involved mostly SP MoW crews, intern lawyers from Denver and a - A new Camp Ground was opened down river at Sims in connection with Forest Service, which is open today. A considerable amount of time was invested in developing a trail to Symbol Rocks up Little Castle Creek south of Dunsmuir. The trail was designed to access ancient petroglyps scrawled on rocks near Castle Crags. The project was later dropped when it became clear that the marks were in fact of recent origin, inspired by a book written in 1926 by James Churchward entitled "The Lost Continent of Mu," and carved by local high school students during a drunken spree in 1951. One of the true scenic wonders of our area is Mossbrae Falls. This can only be accessed by hiking up the railroad right-of-way some three miles north of town. I might add that Union Pacific has posted this section of the railroad and is currently vigorously enforcing it. A trail was proposed that would link an existing trail to Mossbrae Falls without trespassing on the railroad. The proposed trail required an easement across the old Shasta Springs property, owned by the Saint Germain Society, locally known as the I Am’ers—an obscure religious sect—since the late 1940s. We took their lawyer on a hi-rail trip to check things out. The first thing he assured us was that “I’m not one of them.” The plan was a very good idea, and would get hikers off the railroad grade, but it fell through when the IAmers, which up to this point had not been involved, decided to claim $385,000 in damages, and several million for the easement. Date: 05/30/12 20:41 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 5 Author: photobob Perhaps the most complex of these projects were the fishing ponds set up at Railroad
Park Resort south of town at the base of Castle Crags. These were opened at what would have been the beginning of fishing season in April 1992. I was made manager of the ponds, even though I had never done much fishing and never really cared for it. Initially the state-operated Mt. Shasta fish hatchery was to stock the ponds, but there were many problems... The first load arrived and the high-priced SP marine biologist consultant, fearing the fish would enter shock coming from cold water at the hatchery into the warmer ponds set up wading pools for the transfer, the fish, starved for oxygen died by the thousands leaping out of the wading pools. Fish and Game had shocked the fish in the river above the spill, harvested them and took them up to the hatchery and began raising them naturally to replenish the river and ponds using something called “Atomic Fish Food.” The plan backfired when lightening struck the hatchery killing all the fish. thereafter most of the fish came from private hatcheries. Despite these setbacks, the ponds were very successful. They were so well stocked that anyone could easily catch their limit. In three years we had over 44,000 fishermen who caught over 81,000 fish. The data was carefully logged and forwarded to SP lawyers each week. Wise fisherman began to plan on fishing on days when the hatchery delivery truck arrived. Some were fooled in this plan by the near look-alike port-a-potty septic truck. The ponds began attracting wildlife, foxes, bears, raccoons etc. which began to call nightly for dinner. Osprey built nests at the ponds. One day a foreign lady was standing under one of these nests when an osprey let loose with crap on her head – the staff rushed to her horrified but she stated its OK OK in my country this is a sign of “good luck.” Even before the spill I had been on a local committee that had successfully applied for a $600,000 ICET grant to build an Amtrak depot on SP property. Getting SP permission to build was key, and we worked hard at getting SP, various lawyers and the Dunsmuir City manager to reach a shaky agreement. In the midst of this, a local woman marched down to the helper engine line in front of the depot and started hitting the kill buttons on the sides of the units complaining of air pollution, one of the units then rolled out to the west and hit the derail and went on the ground. She then called the state Air Quality Board, which quickly launched an investigation. This killed the depot project. Meanwhile, the river, based on Fish & Game samplings, was all cleaned up by July 31, 1991. By October 1991, just three months after the spill, it was impossible for the casual observer to tell that the river was dead. Swarms of black flies had returned, as well as algae on the rocks, and fish small and large could be seen -perhaps some had returned from tributary streams. To prove the point, a local photographer, known as Photo Bob, staged a scantily-clad local girl waving at Cantara Loop with the full cooperation of the SP crews. He later told me that she practiced the "wave" for ten minutes before the train got there. At any rate, to us locals, the river seemed to be on the road to recovery, but the issue would just not go away. First off, the Spill was a “big deal” because it affected the water supply in the North State in the fifth year of a drought, and nothing much else was happening media-wise at the time. Second, at the root of all the chaos that ensued was the promise of big corporate money. And with a willing media, and money you had the makings of political dynamite. Date: 05/30/12 20:42 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 6 Author: photobob In a saber rattling news conference, Calif. Attorney General Dan Lundgren threatened
to file criminal charges against SP and did in fact file a huge damage suit. Barbara Boxer charged SP was trying to move equipment out of the river before the government people arrived - which was nearly 12 hours later!!!. She also organized a quick media visit to Dunsmuir. It was heavily publicized in the local paper that she would be in town at such and such a time and date on a fact finding tour. I was there at the meeting held at the local elementary school gym where she was to appear. Advance crews were there some time before hand setting up lighting and cameras, arranging props etc. A couple dozen people, including some with grievances, were there but it was mostly lawyers, media and other hangers on. She was late and finally we heard her helicopter land outside. In came Ms. Boxer and the makeup crews and advisers worked with her for ten minutes before she finally got situated and the cameras were rolling at which point she said quote “OK, bring on the sufferers.” After a half hour or so, she was off in her helicopter with her sound bites. SP wanted to restore the river back to the way it was - a family river where people caught their limit and took them home- so they could have closure and file their claim with their insurance carrier, which was Lloyds of London. There developed a powerful opposing group, which wanted to see the river become what is known as Catch and Release -for fly fishermen. Their principal spokesman was a guy named Tom Hesseldenze, who had moved up from San Francisco to become involved full time in the effort for an organization called CalTrout. Tom was a true back to nature guy. I spent considerable time with him scouting trail, attending meetings etc. He drank only pure spring water, was a strict vegetarian on camera eating whole grains, granola, seeds and nuts. So I was surprised to see him one night at the local Black Bear Diner for all-you-can-eat rib night. -We have photos of this! This tension over how the river was to be restored became a political football as George Farosich attempted to win endorsements from local government and business groups. Their was a total recall of the Dunsmuir City Council (over another issue) and the newly-elected Council ultimately went against the railroad, another reason why the new depot was never built. Mt. Shasta was engaged in delicate negotiations to move the grade crossing flashers out of the middle of Lake St. in downtown. The road had been widened but the city council went against the railroad and until a year or two ago, the grade crossing flashers were still in the middle of Lake St. as it narrowed to two lanes to cross the railroad into the middle of downtown. Meanwhile, a group of lawyers representing themselves as The Response Team for the Chemically Injured, organized meetings in the towns along the river and the same day a Dunsmuir resident opened an art show in Medford Oregon with horrific canvases grouped under the title “Metam Sodium by products and other nightmares.” All of this was closely followed by the media, as was the local political scene. Enflamed by the media, Dunsmuir City Council meetings were standing room only. As I said, ultimately the City Council was recalled in a viscous election (my wife was on the council at the time) in the wake of the recall 15 people ran for the council, but one by one they dropped out or disappeared. One man was wanted in Contra Costa County. In the end the man that became mayor, a recent émigré from Marin, was elected with the mandate of just 12 votes. Having arrived in town, two years after the spill, he expressed his opinion that the SP had not done enough. This was the only time I ever saw George Farosich loose his cool in public. He pushed the mayor –we called him Oingo-Boingo- up against the wall in his place of business-a bar. SP had spent millions by this time and George proceeded to give him the benefit of his opinion! Date: 05/30/12 20:43 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 7 Author: photobob California Department Fish & Game, which had suffered many staffing cutbacks in the
years prior to the spill saw the opportunity for a tremendous cash windfall. And within the first six months of the disaster released a half inch thick document – or “wish list” – Natural Resource Damage Assessment Plan containing all of the studies and procedures required, as well as budgets, to the tune of $8,983,000. Subtask VT4 “Ecological Process Monitoring” was typical of the studies: For an estimated cost of $250,000, an array of cameras was to be set up along the river every ten miles that were to be pre-programmed to shoot a photo upward into the tree canopy once every seven days for five years to study trends in leaf growth. The Federal Government was not far behind with their hand out. This resulted in hearings before the California Fish & Game Commission, which were held in Redding. It was a bit ironic, that these proceedings, which generally held SP’s feet to the fire, were presided over by former Southern Pacific Chairman of the Board Benjamin F. Biaginini, who was chairman of Fish & Game! We visited with him one day at the meeting and he showed us his revolver. He told us he was one of very few who were allowed to carry a concealed weapon in the City and County of San Francisco. The subject of whether he felt he might need it at the hearings was not brought up. In the end, after much hand wringing the river was opened for catch and release trout fishing (except for a six mile stretch around Dunsmuir which was open to traditional fishing) on April 30, 1994. This paved the way for SP to file claims with its insurer. In a settlement reached in March 1994, SP agreed to pay $32 million to the state and Federal Government over a five-year period. Much of this money paid for “overhead” and projects unrelated to the Sacramento River, including an EPA Oil Spill Liability Fund, a Mollusk Study on the Smith River, a Fish & Game Future Disasters Fund, staff enhancements, etc. The Class Action lawsuit was settled for $14 million, local claims prior to the settlement amounted to nearly $7 million. All this amounted to approximately $49 million. Total charges against GMO89748 ultimately, however, amounted to nearly $80 million. I was talking old times with George Farosich a couple of years ago now retired in Tucson, and I made a comment about all the thieves (thinking of the Politicians, government agencies and bogus claimants). He agreed about the thieves, but was referring to the SP lawyers, contractors and consultants etc.—George and myself included! The promoters for bungi jumping into the Sacramento River from Lake Siskiyou Dam received nothing, as did those lobbying for osprey platforms on railroad right of way. All the money spent in and around Dunsmuir has had little effect on the town, Stan the Fixit Man’s wife presumably still has diarriah, but the media has long since lost interest. The population of the town has stayed the same, or dropped just a little. When ordering something by mail order over the phone people no longer know where Dunsmuir is. In 1996 Union Pacific took over, and unaware of all the sensitive issues regarding river access that the SP had fought valiantly for, immediately dispatched special agents to post no trespassing signs from Delta all the way to Cantara Loop and began evicting fisherman from railroad property. (For much of the way, the river is on railroad property). But what the UP might lack in tact, they made up for in political clout, engineering skill and cash and finally, in 2000, they did manage to get a containment structure built at the loop. John Signor Date: 05/30/12 21:35 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 7 Author: CarolVoss Thank you for posting this.
C. Carol Voss Bakersfield, CA Date: 05/30/12 22:09 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 7 Author: TCnR Class act.
This is the material that was presented at the SPH&TS Convention last year in Portland. There's also some of Bob's Video that was used as an opener, a model tank car stringlining off a representation of Cantara Loop into the river below. Will the video make it into the TO archives? Date: 05/30/12 23:55 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 7 Author: sp8270 Quite informative!
Thank you for the info. -Alex Date: 05/31/12 05:18 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 7 Author: mikecollins Very interesting read, Bob, thanks for posting.
However, it kind of begs the question--will you tell the story of Charlie Babers and the windows in the Polly Coach? Sounds like it must be a good one. --Mike Date: 05/31/12 07:34 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 7 Author: tomstp Man, like a pack of starving wolves fighting over one mouse. Money, money, money, gimmie money. The whole thing is really sickening. You just have to feel sorry for the "big friendly" SP.
Date: 05/31/12 13:10 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 7 Author: dmaffei Its great to see John asked you to post his experience Bob.
Just to keep it perfectly clear, the tank cars contents did not have any effect on the towns water supply. The water for Dunsmuir comes from a lava tube from Mt. Shasta that feeds Mossbrae falls above the river. In fact, someone is re opening the bottling plant at the Castle Rock water and is working on making the water they bottle "Spring water" status. This will mean the towns water source will be rated as spring water as they get their water from the same place as the bottling works. Nothing like bathing and brushing your teeth in spring water people in other parts of the country pay a dollar a bottle for. http://castlerockwatercompany.com/contact-us/ See you at Railroad days http://dunsmuirrailroaddays.org/ Dave Date: 05/31/12 14:07 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 7 Author: photobob Date: 06/04/12 12:29 Re: Cantara-the rest of the story Part 1 Author: TracyRail > Even though I assure you I was a solid "D" student in high school English...
As a fan of John's writings for many, many years, he gives eternal hope to us "A" students who are still only aspiring to be authors. Thanks for sharing this, Bob, and please extend thanks to John. |