Eastern Railroad Discussion > Hamler Heny (Ohio) Signal takes a header???

Looks like the middle head on the WAS #2 @ E Hamler got smacked by something...

BTW I couldn't see the center aspect from my truck at the next road crossing, Rd. 6. Not too many trains actually use that signal. We'll see how long it takes to get fixed or if it gets worse.

Edit... I didn't have my glasses so don't read too much in to what I couldn't see, but I did pass the Ohio visual test last year to keep my CDL, without corrective lenses... ;-)

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I noticed that on the way to Hamler the other night, maybe it fell a sleep and his head tilted back like when I dose off in my chair! It makes it tough for the crews to see that middle aspect, it may not take to long, who knows.

Thank the big snow shields for this problem. Wind vibration causes clamp to break.

All that extra weight from that Lunar doesn't help I bet. That's got to be one of the dumbest signal indications I have ever seen. There are so many other choices besides white, they want to talk about saving money, why would you order an extra light on every absolute signal. Just think of the savings of getting rid of the Lunar.

farmer Wrote:
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> Thank the big snow shields for this problem. Wind
> vibration causes clamp to break.

With that tree line ending there funneling the south wind I can believe that to be the cause. I've begun to notice others that have lost their alignment in the last 10-12 years. I suppose nothing gets done 'til a crew calls and bitches about a signal not properly displayed.


BTW was that Q110 stopped at W Deshler about 1:30? Why? Only cleared SR-65 by a car or 2.

DeshlerRailfan Wrote:
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> farmer Wrote:
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> > Thank the big snow shields for this problem.
> Wind
> > vibration causes clamp to break.
>
> With that tree line ending there funneling the
> south wind I can believe that to be the cause.
> I've begun to notice others that have lost their
> alignment in the last 10-12 years. I suppose
> nothing gets done 'til a crew calls and bitches
> about a signal not properly displayed.
>
>
> BTW was that Q110 stopped at W Deshler about 1:30?
> Why? Only cleared SR-65 by a car or 2.


Waiting on the Biz train? Investors take notice once we sucker you in, you're freight can wait. Just like UPS... LMAO Just my sick sense of humor!

Track work at attica juct...

RF-NOCOM Wrote:
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> All that extra weight from that Lunar doesn't help
> I bet. That's got to be one of the dumbest signal
> indications I have ever seen. There are so many
> other choices besides white, they want to talk
> about saving money, why would you order an extra
> light on every absolute signal. Just think of the
> savings of getting rid of the Lunar.

I was wondering the same thing when I asked about the meaning of a lunar signal on the IHB near Calumet Junction (E. Chicago, IN). The signal is also 4 light and I would think that the one could use some combination of the other 3 lights to convey the same indication. I don't know enough about signaling to be able to do anything except wonder and ask the same question.

colehour Wrote:
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> RF-NOCOM Wrote:
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> > All that extra weight from that Lunar doesn't
> help
> > I bet. That's got to be one of the dumbest
> signal
> > indications I have ever seen. There are so many
> > other choices besides white, they want to talk
> > about saving money, why would you order an
> extra
> > light on every absolute signal. Just think of
> the
> > savings of getting rid of the Lunar.
>
> I was wondering the same thing when I asked about
> the meaning of a lunar signal on the IHB near
> Calumet Junction (E. Chicago, IN). The signal is
> also 4 light and I would think that the one could
> use some combination of the other 3 lights to
> convey the same indication. I don't know enough
> about signaling to be able to do anything except
> wonder and ask the same question.



When they took over Conrail, they could have chosen to go with the NORAC signals ( http://felttip.com/svmetro//septawatch/signals/ ). NORAC does not require the 4th light. The reason I was told why they didn't was because it would cost too much money to change the CSX system over to NORAC, and re-teach all the employees about NORAC. So instead they are assimilating the Conrail side into CSX (Seaboard) signals. I am not looking forward to this.

RF-NOCOM Wrote:
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> All that extra weight from that Lunar doesn't help
> I bet. That's got to be one of the dumbest signal
> indications I have ever seen. There are so many
> other choices besides white, they want to talk
> about saving money, why would you order an extra
> light on every absolute signal. Just think of the
> savings of getting rid of the Lunar.


Today's signal heads weigh less than the ones they replaced that were cast iron, the heads today are all aluminum.

The lunar for restricting does eliminate any confusion over what red over yellow means. Confusion over the aspect at Englewood caused that Amtrak rear-end collision in Chicago a few years ago, although it was a CPL signal, I think. They thought it was "medium approach", but it was "restricting".

halfmoonharold Wrote:
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> The lunar for restricting does eliminate any
> confusion over what red over yellow means.
> Confusion over the aspect at Englewood caused that
> Amtrak rear-end collision in Chicago a few years
> ago, although it was a CPL signal, I think. They
> thought it was "medium approach", but it was
> "restricting".

That makes a lot of sense, especially given the variety of "heritage" signal systems that might exist on a single railroad nowadays. Here in Hammond/Whiting, for example, we still have a couple of PRR position light signal bridges, at least for the time being. I think that NS has replaced one of them just across the state line in Illinois. I would imagine there are plans to replace those on either side of the HMI station.