Eastern Railroad Discussion > CSX Marysville Ohio Derailment

Hearing CSX has containers scattered out and about from derailment near Scott's Lawn Facilty.

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Looks as if the locomotive(s) have also overturned. Brief story with images:


MARYSVILLE, OH (WCMH) — Scottslawn Road is closed at Industrial Parkway in Marysville until further notice due to a derailed train.Marysville Police say the train derailed around 10:00 this morning. There are several train cars overturned.

News Link:

http://nbc4i.com/2016/02/09/scottslawn-road-closed-due-to-train-derailment/



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/16 08:22 by turntable.

This looks as if the container train went into the industry tracks at mainline speed. There are several possible explanations if that's what happened; the investigation ought to be interesting. Unless something changed recently, this trackage is unsignalled.
 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/16 08:27 by toledopatch.

WCMH is streaming live footage from a helicopter. Here is a screen grab from the feed that's likely showing the lead locomotive of the stack train. The second locomotive (another CSX GE) has overturned. At first glance it would appear a switch was left open at the Miracle Grow facility allowing the double stack train to slam into a cut of cars. Anyone know if this area is signaled or dark territory?

-Brian

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From pictures on news site, looks as though they either picked a switch into an industrial siding, or the switch was
lined into the siding. Hope all are well.

Unsignalled territory on the Scottslawn.
 

Ouch, that had to hurt. Wonder how fast it was traveling. Hope all are good.

Where does this line run, to/from
 

turntable Wrote:
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Toledo to Columbus.
News helicopter footage shows what appears to be another locomotive off to the right of the derailment. Possibly a local switching and someone forgot to line the switch back to normal on the main?

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turntable Wrote:
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> Where does this line run, to/from
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This is part of the old Toledo & Ohio Central between Toledo and Columbus. Marysville is between Ridgeway (Indianapolis Line ex-CCC&StL crosses) and Columbus. North of Ridgeway the line is signalled. Between CP-82 (South Ridgeway) and the Columbus area, it is not.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/16 08:35 by toledopatch.

farmer Wrote:
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> Toledo to Columbus.
> News helicopter footage shows what appears to be
> another locomotive off to the right of the
> derailment. Possibly a local switching and someone
> forgot to line the switch back to normal on the
> main?
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> Posted from iPhone

Savage Rail Services does the switching there. They use the CSX main to cross over cars from one plant to the other.

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> > Toledo to Columbus.
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> > another locomotive off to the right of the
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> someone
> > forgot to line the switch back to normal on the
> > main?

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> Savage Rail Services does the
switching there.
> They use the CSX main to cross over cars from one
> plant to the other.

A contractor allowed to be on the main in unsignaled territory?
Thats scary.

I live in Marysville and tried to get in close to the derailment, its not possible. Law enforcement, state, county and city, have the area sealed tighter than obamas personal records.

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> I live in Marysville and tried to get in close to
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city, have the area
> sealed tighter than obamas personal records.


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Typical overkill. Unless you would go climbing on the derailed cars the danger is over with.

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recipe for disaster and here's the result ... even tho they're contractors I believe they still have theo go through a CSX rules class by a rules examiner and shudda been Q'd on CSX rules  ...

former Conrail Scottslawn Sec ... nee NYC T&OC



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/16 15:40 by Out_Of_Service.

Under what rule can they occupy the main track without the dispatcher knowing about it, and without completing a Switch Position Awareness Form once they clear up?

FRA will have a field day with this incident.

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Didn't they implement a bunch of new rules for dark territory after that bad NS open switch accident with fatal gas leak that happened in South Carolina a few years back?

None.  They would need dispatcher authority and some kind of track warrant.   Yes, I know I am speculating, but they probably just left a switch open.   Yes, there should be some box to check on the warrant that says 'all switches were lined and locked back to normal train operations' and it must be checked and varified...but sometimes we are human, and forget to double check the switch to make sure you locked it back for the main.

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> None.  They would need dispatcher authority and
> some kind of track warrant.   Yes, I know I am
> speculating, but they probably just left a switch
> open.   Yes, there should be some box to check
> on the warrant that says 'all switches were lined
> and locked back to normal train operations' and it
> must be checked and varified...but sometimes we
> are human, and forget to double check the switch
> to make sure you locked it back for the main.
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> > without the dispatcher knowing about it, and
> > without completing a Switch Position Awareness
> > Form once they clear up?

As noted previously, the FRA's going to be all over this one unless it turns out the train picked the industry switch, making it a track failure rather than some kind of human error.

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> > None.  They would need dispatcher authority
> and
> > some kind of track warrant.   Yes, I know I
> am
> > speculating, but they probably just left a
> switch
> > open.   Yes, there should be some box to
> check
> > on the warrant that says 'all switches were
> lined
> > and locked back to normal train operations' and
> it
> > must be checked and varified...but sometimes we
> > are human, and forget to double check the
> switch
> > to make sure you locked it back for the main.
> >
> > toledopatch Wrote:
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> > > Under what rule can they occupy the main
> track
> > > without the dispatcher knowing about it, and
> > > without completing a Switch Position
> Awareness
> > > Form once they clear up?
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> As noted previously, the FRA's going to be all
> over this one unless it turns out the train picked
> the industry switch, making it a track failure
> rather than some kind of human error.

I pray the crew is alright.

It would be very difficult (read: impossible) for a train to 'pick a switch' at any kind of speed (which doesn't happen in the real world like it does in the model world) and have the train proceed through the facing point movement and not derail all over the switch. The train taking a diveraging movement through what should have been a straight track movement almost completely rules out this scenario. 

A track failure (or more specifically a switch failure) would have seen the derailment happen at or very close to the switch.