Eastern Railroad Discussion > CSX paying conductors an additional $500 per week

csx starred paying conductors an extra $500 per week starting july 12th if they won't call in sick and stay available

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Well Damn, I'm going back....No really I am going back..

BNSF used that tactic at various times to keep traffic moving.  One time I remember was when the Orin Sub in Wyoming started sinking into the mud, and the flow of coal was impacted while the track was upgraded.  Rather than explain why the national power grid was affected, BNSF simply applied money to continue sufficient operations.   Along with boosting pay for conductors and engineers to remain available, stored locomotives and coal cars were activated, and the crisis was averted.   Perhaps CSX is using the same actions.  BSB  

oh yea, when all of that coal dust turned to mud out there on the orin sub sure was an experience.

i have never seen so many slow orders on a gtb...........

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Over the past six years, the Class 1 railroads have axed 33% of their workers through layoffs and attrition. According to the Surface of Transportation Board (STB), the Class 1 railroads slashed their headcount from 174,000 workers in April 2015 to 116,000 workers in June 2021. The results of efforts to hire people back this year are barely visible. Turns out, it’s a lot easier to cut workers than it is to suddenly hire workers.

“No way did I or anybody else in the last six months realize how difficult it was going to be to try and get people to come to work these days,” said CSX CEO James Foote during CSX’s earnings conference call for the second quarter of 2021.

Foote already knows that when you treat people like dirt, they have no loyalty to the company.  Then you cut a bunch of them, and their response is:  screw you!  WE are not working for the railroad, or any other  company that treats us so poorly.  CSX has no one to blame but themselves.  They shot themselves in the "foote."  

AmHog Wrote:
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> “No way did I or anybody else in the last six months realize how difficult it was going to be to try and get people to come to work these days,”
> said CSX CEO James Foote during CSX’s earnings conference call for the second quarter of 2021.


Don't you just love how "No one wants to work anymore" is being spun these days?

No Dude, they don't want to work for A$$holes. You scrapped them to maximize shareholder value, and you expect them to come crawling back when you snap your fingers?

Food service industry folks are shocked that folks don't want to work long hours and put up with screaming Karens for serf wages.

States cutting unemployment benefits didn't get people back to work, study finds


https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/07/22/cuts-to-unemployment-benefits-didnt-get-people-back-to-work-study-finds.html?__twitter_impression=true


Brian

choodude Wrote:
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> Don't you just love how "No one wants to work
> anymore" is being spun these days?


There is truth to that statement.  

> Food service industry folks are shocked that folks
> don't want to work long hours and put up with
> screaming Karens for serf wages.

Restaurants in St Augustine FL are offering over $20 an hour plus tips and can't fill jobs.  They are also getting complaints from customers on the new prices required to support such wages.  

> States cutting unemployment benefits didn't get
> people back to work, study finds
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> https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/07/22/cuts-to-unempl
> oyment-benefits-didnt-get-people-back-to-work-stud
> y-finds.html?__twitter_impression=true
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> Brian

Lets see what happens when people have to a actually pay their rent.   

$20 plus tips is way more than the going rate here in South Florida. $12 to $15 plus tips is more like it. At that scale, restaurants have their pick of good experienced people.

Offering tipped minimum wage plus tips, many restaurants are hurting.

Labor is now making choices. Take it or leave it isn't a strategy for management.

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Typhoon Wrote:
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> choodude Wrote:
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> > Don't you just love how "No one wants to work
> > anymore" is being spun these days?
>
>
> There is truth to that statement.  
>
> > Food service industry folks are shocked that
> folks
> > don't want to work long hours and put up with
> > screaming Karens for serf wages.
>
> Restaurants in St Augustine FL are offering over
> $20 an hour plus tips and can't fill jobs.  They
> are also getting complaints from customers on the
> new prices required to support such wages.  
>
> > States cutting unemployment benefits didn't get
> > people back to work, study finds
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/07/22/cuts-to-unempl
>
> >
> oyment-benefits-didnt-get-people-back-to-work-stud
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> > y-finds.html?__twitter_impression=true
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> >
> > Brian
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> Lets see what happens when people have to a
> actually pay their rent.   

To me that means that in Saint Augustine, Florida $ 20 an hour plus tips is not enough for the true market rate for that kind of employment. From a thousand miles away, I don't suppose the going rate for housing is astronomical?

Adam Smith had wisdom about what to do in a supply shortage. Apparently some folks don't think that wisdom should apply to labor.

In the voice of an Orc from Lord of the Rings: Get back to work you maggots!

Brian



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/21 15:49 by choodude.

choodude Wrote:
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> > choodude Wrote:
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> > > Don't you just love how "No one wants to work
> > > anymore" is being spun these days?
> >
> >
> > There is truth to that statement.  
> >
> > > Food service industry folks are shocked that
> > folks
> > > don't want to work long hours and put up with
> > > screaming Karens for serf wages.
> >
> > Restaurants in St Augustine FL are offering
> over
> > $20 an hour plus tips and can't fill jobs.
>  They
> > are also getting complaints from customers on
> the
> > new prices required to support such wages.  
> >
> > > States cutting unemployment benefits didn't
> get
> > > people back to work, study finds
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/07/22/cuts-to-unempl
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> >
> > >
> >
> oyment-benefits-didnt-get-people-back-to-work-stud
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> > > y-finds.html?__twitter_impression=true
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian
> >
> > Lets see what happens when people have to a
> > actually pay their rent.   
>
> To me that means that in Saint Augustine, Florida
> $ 20 an hour plus tips is not enough for the true
> market rate for that kind of employment.
> Brian

To me from 10 miles away, it is more than enough to make ends meet.  You can't make people work, especially if they don't have to worry about rent payments. 

if $20 per hr plus tips jobs are not in demand, here is how i see it:  people have choices to work at other higher paying jobs OR people have access to some sort of OTHER income that pays their rent and bills..........

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goneon66 Wrote:
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> if $20 per hr plus tips jobs are not in demand,
> here is how i see it:  people have choices to
> work at other higher paying jobs OR people have
> access to some sort of OTHER income that pays
> their rent and bills..........
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> 66
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You currently don't have to pay the rent.  There is a moratorium on being kicked out for not paying the rent currently.  

Typhoon Wrote:
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> > if $20 per hr plus tips jobs are not in demand,
> > here is how i see it:  people have choices to
> > work at other higher paying jobs OR people have
> > access to some sort of OTHER income that pays
> > their rent and bills..........
> >
> > 66
> >
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> >  
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> You currently don't have to pay the rent.  There
> is a moratorium on being kicked out for not paying
> the rent currently.  

You do understand that rent isn't the only thing people use money for, right?

portlander Wrote:
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> > goneon66 Wrote:
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> > > if $20 per hr plus tips jobs are not in
> demand,
> > > here is how i see it:  people have choices
> to
> > > work at other higher paying jobs OR people
> have
> > > access to some sort of OTHER income that pays
> > > their rent and bills..........
> > >
> > > 66
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> >
> > You currently don't have to pay the rent.
>  There
> > is a moratorium on being kicked out for not
> paying
> > the rent currently.  
>
> You do understand that rent isn't the only thing
> people use money for, right?

Thanks for pointing that out.  For the most part, housing should be the biggest monthly expense out of the budget.  Without having to worry about paying rent, the unemployment checks go much farther.   You do understand those basic economics, right?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/21 11:38 by Typhoon.

https://fee.org/articles/unemployed-households-can-earn-25hour-on-welfare-in-21-states-new-study-finds/

https://www.debtcollapse.com/2021-07-22-states-ending-pandemic-unemployment-benefits-increase-jobs.html

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-07-states-stopping-federal-benefits-rapid-job-gains.html

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Typhoon Wrote:
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> portlander Wrote:

> > You do understand that rent isn't the only
> thing
> > people use money for, right?
>
> Thanks for pointing that out.  For the most part,
> housing should be the biggest monthly expense out
> of the budget.  Without having to worry about
> paying rent, the unemployment checks go much
> farther.   You do understand those basic
> economics, right?

So. . . No, you don't then. Check.

portlander Wrote:
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> Typhoon Wrote:
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> > portlander Wrote:
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> > > You do understand that rent isn't the only
> > thing
> > > people use money for, right?
> >
> > Thanks for pointing that out.  For the most
> part,
> > housing should be the biggest monthly expense
> out
> > of the budget.  Without having to worry about
> > paying rent, the unemployment checks go much
> > farther.   You do understand those basic
> > economics, right?
>
> So. . . No, you don't then. Check.


Right....I guess reading is a skill you have yet to master.  Do that before taking on economics.  



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/21 18:52 by Typhoon.

Mr. Typhoon:
I hope someday to grow up and be as knowing and cocksure of any and all subjects as you.
Did you work for Ewing too? You seem to have his persona down pat.
🤣

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Reality is that Florida cut off the extra benefits effective June 31st.

How come Florida is still having problems with "Essential" Jobs going begging?

Brian