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Date: 05/31/23 07:42
NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: BRAtkinson

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/new-york-senate-passes-package-of-rail-regulations/?utm_campaign=News0_NWR_000000_000000_0000000_DailyAutomatedNewswire&utm_source=ACS&utm_medium=Email&tmsb=5rdjr03&tmrl=76xtxzr&tmsl=nwr-daily-newsletter-1-article-wednesday&tmty=e&tmcv=28&tmcs=8kjxq89&tmpi=XfqVR_QjZhMHW00S

It's obvious that the senators have no idea of the fallout from those laws.

Two major problems came to mind while reading the Trains magazine email:

The required inspections at the state line will delay multiple trains awaiting inspections, add costs, and jam up yards that are already overloaded.

Requiring PTC on all trains is completely uneconomical and will result in everything but main lines being removed.

Hopefully most of them will never get passed or implemented.

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Date: 05/31/23 09:59
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: CPMorris

Typical panic-inspired reactionist Democrat legislation. Will be interesting
to see if these new regulations, if enacted, can survive a court challenge.
As the article says, "...challenges over federal supremacy to regulate mattters
of interstate commerce." 
By the way, do these same regulations apply to trucks on public highways?

Thank You BRAtkinson for posting this!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/23 10:01 by CPMorris.



Date: 05/31/23 11:01
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: cjvrr

With no companion bills in the State Assembly they will go no place.   But sounds good for a sound bite to their constituents 



Date: 05/31/23 14:46
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: Lackawanna484

61 to 1 votes means most of these bills received at least 20 Republican votes

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Date: 05/31/23 14:51
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: gandydancer4

Make NO MISTAKE. Our government, both sides are doing what NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD COULD DO. They are systematically destroying our country from the inside. 



Date: 05/31/23 18:42
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: RuleG

CPMorris Wrote:
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> Typical panic-inspired reactionist Democrat
> legislation. 

The Trains Magazine Newswire article lists 10 pieces of legislation.  The first measure, S5775 (requiring trains of Class I & II railroads to have crews of at lease 2 persons) passed with 15 out of 21 Republican senators. S5775 (requiring New York State DOT to establish a "central registry of reports, audits, plans, and public inspections for freight trains and freight rail lines" passed with only 3 Republican Senators in opposition.  All of the other measures were passed with just one Republican Senator, Mark Walczyk, voting against all measures.

Thus, even though Democrats introduced all measures, there was widespread bipartisan support for this legislation.    


 



Date: 05/31/23 22:51
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: Typhoon

RuleG Wrote:
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> CPMorris Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Typical panic-inspired reactionist Democrat
> > legislation. 
>
> The Trains Magazine Newswire article lists 10
> pieces of legislation.  The first measure, S5775
> (requiring trains of Class I & II railroads to
> have crews of at lease 2 persons) passed with 15
> out of 21 Republican senators. S5775 (requiring
> New York State DOT to establish a "central
> registry of reports, audits, plans, and public
> inspections for freight trains and freight rail
> lines" passed with only 3 Republican Senators in
> opposition.  All of the other measures were
> passed with just one Republican Senator, Mark
> Walczyk, voting against all measures.
>
> Thus, even though Democrats introduced all
> measures, there was widespread bipartisan support
> for this legislation.    
>
>  

That just goes to show that both parties have elected idiots.  



Date: 06/01/23 05:50
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: Lackawanna484

I doubt any legislator wants to be on the "wrong side" of a vote seen as a safety issue. Future TV ad

"Senator Claghorn voted against S1234 and S1235. These bills might have saved lives in the recent rail disaster in our district.

" throw the bum out! He lines his accounts with rail company money and our community is destroyed"

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Date: 06/01/23 08:58
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: MH2198

gandydancer4 Wrote:
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> Make NO MISTAKE. Our government, both sides are
> doing what NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD COULD DO.
> They are systematically destroying our country
> from the inside.

And what's better, letting the Class 1s continue to run rampant with their stupidity? They need to be reigned in. Their PSR, profit-obsessed BS has got to end.



Date: 06/01/23 09:36
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: BRAtkinson

Common to all governmental politics, passing a group of railroad 'safety' bills allows those who voted for it/them to say "I voted for the =safety= of my constituents!" or "I voted 'yes' to preserve our state and nation... Senator So-and-So voted against it!" It's strictly political showmanship and theator to win your vote.

Of course, every vote they support is a vote for your safety and that of all future generations, National Security, USA survival and critically important things that all citizens should think about and consider before they fill in the oval or pull the lever down.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/23 09:38 by BRAtkinson.



Date: 06/01/23 10:04
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: CPMorris

Yes, exactly BRAtkinson - Brilliant!  "...political showmanship
and theater to win your vote."  Symbolism over substance - typical!



Date: 06/01/23 10:09
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: cjvrr

And the sad thing is most of the State politicans know it will be struck down by federal law.  But at least they said they tried.   The only group to benefit will be the lawyers bringing it before the courts. 

CPMorris Wrote:
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> Yes, exactly BRAtkinson - Brilliant! 
> "...political showmanship
> and theater to win your vote."  Symbolism over
> substance - typical!



Date: 06/01/23 10:37
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: CPMorris

Agreed. Look at the post from Lackawanna484 about "Future TV ad."
Meanwhile, as you say, lawyers will be the beneficiaries!



Date: 06/01/23 14:42
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: TAW

gandydancer4 Wrote:
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> Make NO MISTAKE. Our government, both sides are
> doing what NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD COULD DO.
> They are systematically destroying our country
> from the inside. 

Actually, that's Wall Street doing it with the help of the complicit government Wall Street pays for.

TAW



Date: 06/01/23 15:52
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: dstill

NY politicians don't care.
 



Date: 06/01/23 18:34
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: RuleG

Typhoon Wrote:
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>
> That just goes to show that both parties have
> elected idiots.  

Nope, I was trying to make a low-key criticism of the hyper-partisan post to which I was responding.



Date: 06/01/23 18:45
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: RuleG

There are a lot of a assumptions about the Republicans who voted for the legislation for which the article provides no evidence.  None of those making the assumptions provide any links to back up their statements or show any evidence that they communicated with the New York State Senators who voted for the bill.

Although there is evidence of that politicians will sometimes make voting decisions based on perceived attack advertisements from their political opponents, transportation issues are generally not one of the issues on which negative advertisements are based (except maybe gasoline prices) for state legislative and higher political campaigns.  A much, much greater transportation safety issue in terms of number of fatalities is deaths and severe injuries due to road crashes.  I have yet to see or read about a negative advertisement against a politician on this issue.

 



Date: 06/02/23 09:27
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: Typhoon

RuleG Wrote:
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> Typhoon Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > That just goes to show that both parties have
> > elected idiots.  
>
> Nope, I was trying to make a low-key criticism of
> the hyper-partisan post to which I was responding.

Yes, I understand you have a knee jerk reaction to defend the Dems.   That doesn't change my opinion that I posted.

Some of us are not blinded by party ideology.



Date: 06/02/23 18:02
Re: NY Senate Passes New RR Regs
Author: RuleG

Typhoon Wrote:
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>
> Some of us are not blinded by party ideology.

If you bothered to read my following post, you'd see that I was implicitly defending the Republicans who voted for the legislation.  I have a higher regard for the politicians of both parties who voted for this legislation, than you who offers nothing other than to call politicians of both parties "idiotic."  



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