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Date: 01/25/25 08:20
Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: dmaffei




Date: 01/25/25 09:06
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: FiveChime

Would be great if they did the demonstrator SP 5308,2715,1415. After that 1519 but by then modified too much.

Regards, Jim Evans



Date: 01/25/25 09:13
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: atsf121

Oh no, my wallet is in danger.

Posted from iPhone



Date: 01/25/25 09:51
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: ATSFSuperCap

OK,  but it would seem that Rapido will have them out first.   And, why should ST be competeing in this market.    There are other locos they should be doing.   Plus, we have tons of Proto 2000 SD7's and 9's out there for vastly less money that are perfectly nice runners and for the modeler are a great deal to buy used and detail out themselves.   Stick a Walthers flat can motor in them and they run just as good to.   Then you get to pick your favorite sound system, for me that is Tsunami 2, which forces me to buy all this stuff no noise.    Also when you do that you get the full spectrum of options on the sound system not the limited stuff on the dedicated boards, and most of all install actually good sounding speakers from Scale Sound.



Date: 01/25/25 10:05
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: SPDRGWfan

Tempting but I'm not sure if the SP SD7's ran though Davis where I grew up.  The example shown, #1500 was rebuilt in Jan 1979 according to UtahRail.net

https://utahrails.net/sp/sp-r8-grip-by-model.php

The SP SD7 were rebuilt to SD7R between Jan 1979 and Jun 1980

>OK,  but it would seem that Rapido will have them out first.   And, why should ST be competeing in this market.   
> There are other locos they should be doing.   Plus, we have tons of Proto 2000 SD7's and 9's out there for vastly
> less money that are perfectly nice runners and for the modeler are a great deal to buy used and detail out themselves.
> Stick a Walthers flat can motor in them and they run just as good to.   Then you get to pick your favorite sound system,
> for me that is Tsunami 2, which forces me to buy all this stuff no noise.    Also when you do that you get the full spectrum
> of options on the sound system not the limited stuff on the dedicated boards, and most of all install actually good sounding speakers from Scale Sound.

Rapido isn't offering bloody nose SP however on this run. 

I picked up SP Walthers SD9E's #4376 and 4378 which seem like decent models, representing SD9E's rebuilt Nov 1973 and Jan 1974.

Walthers last run of SP SD9's came in DCC ready or DCC sound.  ScaleTrains offers both DC ready or DCC.  So with both brands you can choose Tsunami if you prefer it.




 



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/25/25 12:08 by SPDRGWfan.



Date: 01/25/25 10:16
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: sixaxlecentury

ATSFSuperCap Wrote:
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> OK,  but it would seem that Rapido will have them
> out first.   And, why should ST be competeing in
> this market.    There are other locos they
> should be doing.   Plus, we have tons of Proto
> 2000 SD7's and 9's out there for vastly less money
> that are perfectly nice runners and for the
> modeler are a great deal to buy used and detail
> out themselves.   Stick a Walthers flat can
> motor in them and they run just as good to. 
>  Then you get to pick your favorite sound system,
> for me that is Tsunami 2, which forces me to buy
> all this stuff no noise.    Also when you do
> that you get the full spectrum of options on the
> sound system not the limited stuff on the
> dedicated boards, and most of all install actually
> good sounding speakers from Scale Sound.

You do realize these projects usually run 2+ years out before they are announced. Rapido ones were announced 14 months ago, and they only just just announced the order deadline with no ETA. Scale Trains is planning an October delivery already, and I bet they make it out before the Rapido.

Oh, and the Scale Trains is $40 cheaper.   



Date: 01/25/25 10:47
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: Curt

I'm not a modeler, but I always enjoy looking at this stuff.  Is it typical to not show prices, or is it a case of, "if you got to ask, you probably can't afford it"?



Date: 01/25/25 11:25
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: WrongWayMurphy

Curt Wrote:
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> I'm not a modeler, but I always enjoy looking at
> this stuff.  Is it typical to not show prices, or
> is it a case of, "if you got to ask, you probably
> can't afford it"?

Easy to find from the link - DCC ready and DCC & sound pricing here

 




Date: 01/25/25 13:23
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: TomG

ATSFSuperCap Wrote:
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> OK,  but it would seem that Rapido will have them
> out first.   And, why should ST be competeing in
> this market.    There are other locos they
> should be doing.   Plus, we have tons of Proto
> 2000 SD7's and 9's out there for vastly less money
> that are perfectly nice runners and for the
> modeler are a great deal to buy used and detail
> out themselves.   Stick a Walthers flat can
> motor in them and they run just as good to. 
>  Then you get to pick your favorite sound system,
> for me that is Tsunami 2, which forces me to buy
> all this stuff no noise.    Also when you do
> that you get the full spectrum of options on the
> sound system not the limited stuff on the
> dedicated boards, and most of all install actually
> good sounding speakers from Scale Sound.

I always love it when there is a new announcement and you people pop your little head up and cry about what they should or should not be making.
I heard this very whining when ST announced the SD45x. Waaaaaah why are they making a one off no one wants, and it sold out immediately. 

When ST makes an announcement its usually after they already have test shots in hand which is why the are only 10 or 11 months away from delivery. Rapido takes about a year to a year and a half cause they tell you what they are planning in the design phase. What I really like about Rapido is they communicate what they are doing, most others don't tell you much of anything other than heres a cut off date for something and if or when it is actually delivered.
I personally dont mind that Rapido and ScaleTrains are mirroring products. I think they are number 1 and 2 in the industry these days. Both are puting out the best quality and incredibly detailed products availible today. I'm happy that both are making GP40s, I got all the ones ST made, and they are beautiful and incredibly detailed and have ordered the Rapido ones and I'm sure they ate going to be just as equal in quality and detail.



Date: 01/25/25 17:01
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: mcdeo

ST will have theirs out on the shelves first. As mentioned above, time lines are interesting for sure. Competition is always good.

I guess ST will announce BART models next. Rapido will announce SDL39's. You know, we could use some really good CF7 models. I'm still thinking more SW1001 models will be on display soon. 

How about some over unders: Athearn Surfliners or if Rapido announces them. Bowser SD40's or ST SD40's on the shelves first. Or, more ST SD45's or Bowser SD45's.

How about a really good F unit or GEVO. ;-o

I for one am happy that more stuff is coming out. Slow for sure, but glad more companies are producing products. 

Mike ONeill
Parker, CO



Date: 01/25/25 17:35
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: TomG

Mike I laughed about the ScaleTrains BART train. I agree it's good for our hobby to have the top companies competing and giving us more than one option, its raised the bar significantly. No one had lit control stands, now its becoming standard. Motion lights, step lights, walkway lights great see through fans, now common.



Date: 01/25/25 22:53
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: JDLX

TomG Wrote:
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> Mike I laughed about the ScaleTrains BART train. I
> agree it's good for our hobby to have the top
> companies competing and giving us more than one
> option, its raised the bar significantly. No one
> had lit control stands, now its becoming standard.
> Motion lights, step lights, walkway lights great
> see through fans, now common.

....all of which leads directly to the increasing complexity and production values, and therefore cost, of the models, which results in endless complaints about how unreasonable prices have become and how difficult it is for new people to get into the hobby, and what happened to the good old days of painting and detailing yourself, and the endless discussion loop goes round and round and round in circles.....  

It'll be interesting to see what additional road names beyond the initial four ScaleTrains offers in the future. 

Jeff Moore
Elko, NV



Date: 01/25/25 23:35
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: funnelfan

There is only one SD7R that I have a interest in modeling, albeit I would model it in a much earlier appearance when it first came to the WPRR. I'm sure ScaleTrains could easily sell an entire production run of nothing but SP SD9E locomotives.

Ted Curphey
Ontario, OR




Date: 01/26/25 06:35
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: dragoon

I'm hoping they do an N scale version, and after that they expand into G and do one there.



Date: 01/26/25 07:36
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: KA7008

ATSFSuperCap Wrote:
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> OK,  but it would seem that Rapido will have them
> out first.   And, why should ST be competeing in
> this market.    There are other locos they
> should be doing.   

We've run the wheels off of our Proto units, no doubt a great model.

Rapido isn't doing the SP rebuilt version (at least not in this run) Will they ever? I can't find anyone with that guarantee.
Rapido's order deadline is Feb 17 with no announced delivery date on their website right now. I'll look back at this thread when I have my ST units in hand.



Date: 01/26/25 10:02
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: dmaffei

The news is welcome that so many manufacturers are embracing the Cadillacs as I do, finally. My addiction to them drove me to use what was available at the time as Liz Allen did. When these two are finished they will have the smooth as silk new Walthers Proto drive with dual Scale sound systems speakers. I'm hoping ST or Rapido will do the SP SD9e so modelers can just purchase one. As Ted said, they will surely sell well. I plan to get a few even though I have the Walthers. 
To see the Walthers chassis, copy and paste the Tube link:
https://youtu.be/DvFgybamQ8w?si=Nax-T2LO95iczsUn
The chassis in video is the original P2k drive with Kato motor and SSS speakers, but I'm basically just adding the SSS speakers to the new Walthers helical drive with the stock motor. They run fantastic!
 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/25 10:12 by dmaffei.




Date: 01/26/25 11:04
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: TomG

JDLX Wrote:
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> ....all of which leads directly to the increasing
> complexity and production values, and therefore
> cost, of the models, which results in endless
> complaints about how unreasonable prices have
> become and how difficult it is for new people to
> get into the hobby, and what happened to the good
> old days of painting and detailing yourself, and
> the endless discussion loop goes round and round
> and round in circles.....  
>
> It'll be interesting to see what additional road
> names beyond the initial four ScaleTrains offers
> in the future. 
>
> Jeff Moore
> Elko, NV

Yet if you look at the non sound ST SD9s, its only 200 bucks, their price is actually dropping. Now while I do enjoy super detailing and painting myself, we are in a catch 22. I had an incredibly large box a foot high, a foot wide and a foot and a half long and was stuffed with so many detail parts ive collected for diesels, cabooses and business cars that the top bulged trying to close it. I lost it in the fire. The sad realization is so many of the parts i collected are no longer around. Things we took for granted for so many years are now gone.



Date: 01/26/25 22:43
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: ChrisCampi

I was really hoping Athearn could have got this done. Naive I know. I'm sure Scaletrains will do a great job and they will sell very, very well,  I will probably order a couple DCC ready versions.



Date: 01/27/25 11:00
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: Notch16

Dave Maffei, those units look great!

~ BZ



Date: 01/27/25 15:41
Re: Scaletrains is in the SD7 and SD9 business
Author: wabash2800

I like competition too.

Yes, it has raised the bar, but I would really like to see lowered prices as a result of it! :)

But duplication does affect the recovery of the tooling costs to the detriment of the profit margin and future projects.

Victor Baird



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