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Date: 10/04/12 19:51
WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: SPB

On Tuesday, Niles Canyon Railway's Western Pacific F7 918D brought Santa Fe dome 505 and SP articulated coaches 2473, 2474 to Sunol from the Brightside yard for a much needed washing. The SP articulated coaches are under restoration. They sport new roof coatings, letterboard and extensive interior work. The spray from the hose was a welcome relief in the 100+ degree weather.






Date: 10/04/12 20:53
Re: WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: MojaveBill

The older those artics get the more they seem to sag in the middle...

Bill Deaver
Tehachapi, CA



Date: 10/04/12 21:08
Re: WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: davew833

Why are the outside trucks on the articulated coach a different design than the center truck? Are they more modern replacements?



Date: 10/04/12 21:17
Re: WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: kyounger

The center truck carries more weight.



Date: 10/04/12 23:43
Re: WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: Notch16

The triple-bolster trucks on the prewar Daylight cars had more wear points because there were three times as many swing hangers hidden inside the frame. One trick used by an economy-conscious SP was to make the secondary bolsters be fixed; that really compromised the ride, especially with lateral motion. (A triple-bolster truck in good repair was a lovely riding thing.)

In the 1950s SP started replacing some of the outboard trucks with more standard drop-equalized styles from retired cars. The center truck has a unique cup-type bolster for the articulation joint (and carries a different SP classification number), and can't be as easily replaced with the more common 41-N variations.

Don't know about the sag. The last car to operate for the SP in Daylight colors, SP 2441-42, exhibited that condition. Springs often need attention over the years, it's true.

Nice to see that car return to SP colors. Is it the only such Articulated ACM-ACW set that's been returned to the red stripe scheme? There are several surviving Arctic sets around, but I can't think of another that's returned to an SP state of appearance.

~ BZ



Date: 10/05/12 09:39
Re: WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: ATSF3751

Notch16 Wrote:
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> The triple-bolster trucks on the prewar Daylight
> cars had more wear points because there were three
> times as many swing hangers hidden inside the
> frame. One trick used by an economy-conscious SP
> was to make the secondary bolsters be fixed; that
> really compromised the ride, especially with
> lateral motion. (A triple-bolster truck in good
> repair was a lovely riding thing.)
>
> In the 1950s SP started replacing some of the
> outboard trucks with more standard drop-equalized
> styles from retired cars. The center truck has a
> unique cup-type bolster for the articulation joint
> (and carries a different SP classification
> number), and can't be as easily replaced with the
> more common 41-N variations.
>
> Don't know about the sag. The last car to operate
> for the SP in Daylight colors, SP 2441-42,
> exhibited that condition. Springs often need
> attention over the years, it's true.
>
> Nice to see that car return to SP colors. Is it
> the only such Articulated ACM-ACW set that's been
> returned to the red stripe scheme? There are
> several surviving Arctic sets around, but I can't
> think of another that's returned to an SP state of
> appearance.
>
> ~ BZ


Very interesting BZ. An interesting side note on the 77ft non-artic ex-Daylight cars is that a few of them that were assigned to the COSF received 41CDO trucks, commonly referred to as "outside swinghanger" trucks. In addition, these cars also received leg-rest seats, window tinting, and of course UP colors, which brought them into compliance with other regular chair cars assigned to this service. During their time in this service, I believe that all of them retained their fluted siding. Their assignment in this services lasted into the late 1960's.



Date: 10/05/12 09:49
Re: WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: SPB

The SP 2473-74 pictured come back to California after service on the Algoma Central where it experienced some tough winter conditions..

SPB



Date: 10/05/12 14:02
Re: WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: PatternOfFailure

MojaveBill Wrote:
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> The older those artics get the more they seem to
> sag in the middle...

I think most of us fit that description!



Date: 10/05/12 18:58
Re: WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: PHall

Did they remove the nose MU equipment from the 918D when they restored her?
I know she had nose MU when she was green.



Date: 10/05/12 20:25
Re: WP F7, ATSF dome, SP articulated
Author: SPB

Nose MU equipment is gone.



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