Passenger Trains > Details of the New Pacific Surfliner changes.(kinda big)

Existing Trains Affected New Details
Trains 582 and 784
(afternoon travel between Goleta and Santa Barbara)
Train 582 will be renumbered as Train 782 (below), and will now originate in Goleta.
Train 784 will be renumbered as Train 584 (below), and will now originate in Los Angeles instead of Goleta. Riders between Goleta and Los Angeles who currently take Train 784 can instead take Train 782 (below).
NEW: Train 782 will replace Train 784 between Goleta and Los Angeles, operating 1 hour 15 minutes earlier, departing Goleta at 12:35 p.m. It will run on Train 582’s existing schedule between Los Angeles and San Diego.
NEW: Train 584 will replace Train 784, originating in Los Angeles instead of Goleta, and departing Los Angeles at the existing time of 5:10 p.m.
Trains 790/1790, 592 and 796
(afternoon/evening travel between San Luis Obispo and Los Angeles)
Trains 790/1790 will be replaced by Trains 796 and 792 (below).
Train 592 will be renumbered as Train 792 (below), departing Los Angeles at 8:15 p.m.
Train 796 will now originate in San Luis Obispo, departing at 4:15 p.m., 2 hours 40 minutes later than existing train 790.
NEW: Train 792 will replace Trains 790/1790 and 592, originating in Goleta. It will run on a slightly earlier schedule than Train 592 between Los Angeles and San Diego.
NEW: Trains 590/1588 will replace Train 790/1790 between Los Angeles and San Diego on a slightly earlier schedule.
Trains 761/1761 and 763
(morning travel to the north end of the corridor)
Train 761/1761 will now end in Goleta. Travelers can instead take Train 763 (below), which runs approximately 90 minutes later.
Train 763 will now extend from Goleta to San Luis Obispo, arriving at 2:30 p.m.

Juan Cornejo
Hacienda Heights, CA

Sad part is. that now the LA-San Luis Obispo Surfliner 763 and return 796, will be right in same time slot as the Starlight.

So, it's really a loss of a LA-SLO train.

Not sure whats behind it, except for better utilization of equipment. Understand that the low level set will only operate on 761/782 LA-Goleta and no longer be in the LA-San Diego train sets.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/17 11:10 by mundo.

I find this hard to follow:

Just tell me. Will there still be the same number of trains between LA and Santa Barbra? or is service reduced?

Yes, same number LA-Santa Barbara.

Thanks, Mundo

Why???? Let’s confuse the shit out of everyone in the middle of classes at Santa Barbara University who use the train the most.....

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CPRR Wrote:
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> Why???? Let’s confuse the shit out of everyone
> in the middle of classes at Santa Barbara
> University who use the train the most.....
>
> Posted from iPhone

Because Amtrak can !!! Lol

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Probably not an Amtrak decision but rather that of the JPA in So. California that manages the service. Amtrak is the paid operator, not the management of the service.


SanJoaquinEngr Wrote:
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> CPRR Wrote:
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> > Why???? Let’s confuse the shit out of
> everyone
> > in the middle of classes at Santa Barbara
> > University who use the train the most.....
> >
> > Posted from iPhone
>
> Because Amtrak can !!! Lol
>
> Posted from Android

SanJoaquinEngr Wrote:
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> Because Amtrak can !!! Lol


BuddPullman Wrote:
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> Probably not an Amtrak decision but rather that of
> the JPA in So. California that manages the
> service. Amtrak is the paid operator, not the
> management of the service.

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Correct. Amtrak makes no decisions on frequency and service levels any
more. They are only a contractor, now. Amtrak can advise, based on
operational rules and technical/practical considerations but the LOSSAN
Corridor agency pulls the strings.

mundo Wrote:
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> Sad part is. that now the LA-San Luis Obispo
> Surfliner 763 and return 796, will be right in
> same time slot as the Starlight.
>
> So, it's really a loss of a LA-SLO train.
>
> Not sure whats behind it, except for better
> utilization of equipment. Understand that the low
> level set will only operate on 761/782 LA-Goleta
> and no longer be in the LA-San Diego train sets.


Moving 763 later allows for connections between the LD trains and the Surfliner up to SLO. I think it also provides a better timing for San Diego travel.

bretton88 Wrote:
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> Moving 763 later allows for connections between
> the LD trains and the Surfliner up to SLO. I think
> it also provides a better timing for San Diego
> travel.

Better timing for passengers and better for other aspects of the operation. Remember that a JPA is running the service now, and the JPAs don't care about the schedule or passenger loads of the LD trains, they care only about their own service and passengers. The 763/796 turn will probably suck some local passenger counts off of 11 and 14, but in reality that should just open up more room for longer distance riders.

johnnyremixx I will say that if you're going to copy and paste the information, especially without making any effort to format it so it's easy to read, you may as well at least post a link to the source so people can see it in context.

http://pacificsurfliner.com/New-Schedule/

mundo Wrote:
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> Sad part is. that now the LA-San Luis Obispo
> Surfliner 763 and return 796, will be right in
> same time slot as the Starlight.
>
> So, it's really a loss of a LA-SLO train.
>
> Not sure whats behind it, except for better
> utilization of equipment. Understand that the low
> level set will only operate on 761/782 LA-Goleta
> and no longer be in the LA-San Diego train sets.

That makes no sense. 761 still originates in San Diego and the new 782 runs all the way to San Diego. How can the low level set only be utilized LA-Goleta on 761/782? Passengers will have to transfer trains now in LA? That seems to defeat the purpose of the 700 series trains making easy thru connections for passengers traveling further north or south of LA. I'd like to see your source of info on the low level set no longer running to San Diego.

Yes thru passengers on trains 761 and 782 will transfer trainsets in LAX. These trains will have rather excessive dwell times at Union Station.

I wanted to get the information out as it wasn't posted yet. But this for the people who couldn't follow the post. I think the format doesn't view well on a smart phone but on a computer I had no problem

Juan Cornejo
Hacienda Heights, CA



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/17 10:13 by johnnyremixx.

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As far I can tell, the schedule has not been released yet. But if you want to see actual train times,try the booking option at Amtrak's website The new schedule seems to loaded in the system. Remember the schedule is in effect OCT 9,2017

Juan Cornejo
Hacienda Heights, CA



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/17 10:13 by johnnyremixx.

Doesn't show that anywhere on the new schedule posted above. Just shows the new trains and where they are originating and terminating. Says passengers who take 784 now can take the new 782. Doesn't say anything about needing to switch trainsets. If the new schedule is for better utilization of trainsets, it would make less sense to do that than the current way.