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Date: 11/19/18 15:08
Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: DevalDragon

Amtrak has announced another sale of surplus equipment. 99 cars total, including: 51 Baggage, 18 Baggage / Dorms, 12 Diners, 7 Diner / Grill, 4 ATSF Hilevels and 6 Reefers.

It looks like this will get rid of any remaining heritage equipment in the back lot at Beech Grove.

Bid closing date is Jan 4, 2019.

 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/19/18 15:21 by DevalDragon.



Date: 11/19/18 15:44
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: 611Fan

DevalDragon Wrote:
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> Amtrak has announced another sale of surplus
> equipment. 99 cars total, including: 51 Baggage,
> 18 Baggage / Dorms, 12 Diners, 7 Diner / Grill, 4
> ATSF Hilevels and 6 Reefers.
>
> It looks like this will get rid of any remaining
> heritage equipment in the back lot at Beech
> Grove.
>
> Bid closing date is Jan 4, 2019.
>
>  

Not good @ all !!!

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Date: 11/19/18 16:10
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: PE-717

Is it possible the “bag-dorms” are actually the ill fated dorm-lounges? I am not aware of any bag-dorms still stored at BG, those have been off the roster for a long time. Just curious.



Date: 11/19/18 16:33
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: railfan400

Looking at the car numbers on the sales list, it appears that they are indeed the Dorm-Lounges.

PE-717 Wrote:
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> Is it possible the “bag-dorms” are actually
> the ill fated dorm-lounges? I am not aware of any
> bag-dorms still stored at BG, those have been off
> the roster for a long time. Just curious.



Date: 11/19/18 16:58
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: Topfuel

Those that went to Beech Grove to look at the current sale cars heard rumors of more cars coming up for sale in 2019, but I don't think anyone expected them to be offered so close on the heals of this recent sale, and to sell so many at one time in the middle of winter to boot.  It sounded more like there would be 3 or 4 more sales, with maybe 25 or so cars at a time.  Otherwise it just floods the market all at once. 



Date: 11/19/18 17:21
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: gbmott

Can anyone explain the difference between the diners and the grill-diners?

Gordon



Date: 11/19/18 18:05
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: mundo

the four hi-level cars are the ones rebuilt with ADA seating for the Heartland flyer.  They could have been in service all along IF management had wanted, but they went out of service long before Anderson.

Be perfect for overflow cars on any of the California trains, particluary Surfliners during the Del Mar Race Track season, but not to be.  So sad.



Date: 11/19/18 18:32
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: DevalDragon

mundo Wrote:
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> the four hi-level cars are the ones rebuilt with
> ADA seating for the Heartland flyer.  They could
> have been in service all along IF management had
> wanted, but they went out of service long before
> Anderson.
>
> Be perfect for overflow cars on any of the
> California trains, particluary Surfliners during
> the Del Mar Race Track season, but not to be.  So
> sad.

The waivers they were running on for not having waste rentention tanks expired so they had to be retired as Amtrak didn't have money to covert them.



Date: 11/19/18 18:33
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: PC1974

The next sign we might see hanging at the Beech Grove Shops!




Date: 11/19/18 21:09
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: railcity

Why don't Amtrak donate some cars too train museums??



Date: 11/20/18 03:24
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: andersonb109

No  doubt VIA Rail will buy some of this equipment. Complete re-furbish the cars and put them into service for another 20 years. 



Date: 11/20/18 06:00
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: Topfuel

railcity Wrote:
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> Why don't Amtrak donate some cars too train
> museums??

It says in the bid instructions that Amtrak will consider donating cars, but you have to send them a letter with a formal request and be able to explain why you want a specific car, who your musuem is, and have a plan to get the car moved out of Beech Grove to your museum.  Amtrak isn't going to pay to get a donated car to your front door. 

By the way, to my knowledge Amtrak has never donated rolling stock before (except a few locos), so this is something new. 



Date: 11/20/18 06:09
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: joemvcnj

A few years ago, they said the cars that were being replaced by VL-II's they wanted scrapped so that they can never appear as PV's on their trains, and they did not consider some to be structurally sound either.



Date: 11/20/18 06:54
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: altoonafn

If the cars are junk or mechanical orphans, it makes sense to sell. A lot of times, it isn’t worth the hassle to leave in service if it is a shop queen.

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Date: 11/20/18 10:41
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: ATSF3751

andersonb109 Wrote:
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> No  doubt VIA Rail will buy some of this
> equipment. Complete re-furbish the cars and put
> them into service for another 20 years. 

For sure, that way, VIa can spend more $$ to keep these cars in service rather then purchasing new and reducing maintenance costs over the same 20 year span. 
Via would purchase such rolling stock probably only becasue they cannot get the funding for new equipment. Pay less now for 2nd hand stuff.....pay more later to keep them in service. 

Why is it some folks think that even the very durable Budd equipment will last forever? It won't. It will cost more in the long run. 

 



Date: 11/20/18 16:09
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: jp1822

This list of equipment being sold is quite interesting, as most of it had been stored back in 2007 (or prior), has some interesting history associated with it, and it seems as though Amtrak was saving or holding onto them for some sort of reason. Ten years later, they are now put up for sale. And yes, they were originally scheduled for the scraper as Amtrak did not want them entering into private hands. But now the private car owner world is turned upside down a bit. 

VIA, bring your checkbook!!! I am sure they are interested in some of this equipment!!!!



Date: 11/21/18 07:01
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: Topfuel

andersonb109 Wrote:
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> No  doubt VIA Rail will buy some of this
> equipment. Complete re-furbish the cars and put
> them into service for another 20 years. 

VIA Rail has a surplus of the old CP Budd 1955 diners as it is.  Why would they buy any of this stuff?

If VIA really wanted any of these old cars, they would negotiate directly with Amtrak (as they have done in the past) to get what they want at only a slight premium over what the cars would normally sell for at auction.  They do not need to roll the dice on a public bid with the rest of us schlubs. 



Date: 11/21/18 16:30
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: jp1822

Topfuel Wrote:
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> andersonb109 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No  doubt VIA Rail will buy some of this
> > equipment. Complete re-furbish the cars and put
> > them into service for another 20 years. 
>
> VIA Rail has a surplus of the old CP Budd 1955
> diners as it is.  Why would they buy any of this
> stuff?
>

NO, they are short in the area of Diners the most, and have been. Only 13 active, with at least 8 being required for the Canadian (even on 2019 reduced frequency schedule), and at least 2 for Hudson Bay line (or at least one in service and one for backup). That's 10 in constant service, 3 for reserve. If Chaleur is ever to come back, they are short. VIA wants to refurbish FOUR diners in 2019, that's putting things VERY tight, but they can use some Skyline Dome's that have grills as a subs for diners on the Hudson Bay line if needed. No third diner line for a while. Yes, they had a third diner line for the Canadian in 2018. Definitely could see VIA buying four of the best Heritage Diners for a good deal if they can get them, let alone Crew Dorm/Sleepers, since all the Manor and Chateau sleepers are pressed into full service during summer peak period with hardly a spare to be found. Yes, frequencies or truncated route in 2019, but that may not necessarily mean a reductionin amount of cars being used. If VIA finds these cars even give them a frame to build a Presitge sleeper at some point - I would think VIA would buy....they are certainly bringing it in on Presitge service. 



Date: 11/21/18 16:46
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: ghCBNS

Look at the 10 & 6 'Northern Spirit' sleepers VIA bought from Amtrak a few back. They were Junk! Don't need anymore.

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Date: 11/21/18 17:14
Re: Amtrak Surplus Equipment Sale, Round 2
Author: mundo

The so called crew dorms are former 10-6 sleepers, with the six bedrooms removed, leaving the 10 roomettes.   Space of the 6 bedrooms is open floor space.  To my knowledge no shower facilites were ever installed. Could be wrong.
Saw one in use on the Crescent, and open space was being used for storage of hand luggage that would not fit in the adjacent Viewliner rsleepers.
 



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