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Date: 11/20/18 13:44
Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: GenePoon

Amtrak® - Request for Bid
     SALE OFFER 2019-29
 
Sale of Surplus Rolling Stock Equipment Rail Cars
 
Description:  Amtrak is soliciting bids for various decommissioned inactive fleet cars.
 
 
LINE #1 - Heritage Baggage Cars – Weight 117,000 lbs. each                   
 
CAR #                    DESCRIPTION                                     LOCATION                                           BID PRICE:
               
#1126                    1962 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1127                    1946 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1132                    1957 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1135                    1957 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1160                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________       
#1161                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1162                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1163                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1164                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1165                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1171                    1948 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1172                    1948 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1203                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1204                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1208                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1210                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1211                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1212                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1213                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1215                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1221                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1223                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1226                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1229                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1230                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1234                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1235                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1236                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1239                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1241                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1242                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1244                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1245                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1246                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1247                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1248                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1249                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1250                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1251                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1252                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1255                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1257                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1258                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1261                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1264                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1265                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1267                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1269                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1272                    1955 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1855                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#1857                    1953 Heritage Baggage Car           Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
 
 
LINE #2 – Heritage Crew Dorm Car - Weight 130,000 lbs. each
 
#2500                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2501                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2503                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2505                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Washington, DC                                                _________
#2506                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2507                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2510                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2511                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2512                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2513                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2514                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2515                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2516                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2517                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2518                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2519                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2523                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#2524                    1949 Heritage Crew Dorm Car     Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
 
 
LINE #3 – Heritage Diner Car - Weight 154,500 lbs. each
 
#8502                    1952 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8504                    1948 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8507                    1958 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8509                    1958 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8510                    1948 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8511                    1948 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8512                    1948 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8521                    1949 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8524                    1949 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8527                    1950 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8528                    1950 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8532                    1956 Heritage Diner Car                 Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
 
 
 
 
 
LINE #4 – Heritage Diner Grill - Weight 153,000 lbs. each
 
 
#8550                    1958 Heritage Diner Grill               Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8551                    1949 Heritage Diner Grill               Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8552                    1958 Heritage Diner Grill               Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8553                    1948 Heritage Diner Grill               Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8554                    1948 Heritage Diner Grill               Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8558                    1949 Heritage Diner Grill               Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
#8559                    1950 Heritage Diner Grill               Beech Grove, IN                                               _________
 
 
LINE #5 – Heritage SF High Level Coach - Weight 160,000 lbs. each
 
CAR #                    DESCRIPTION                                                     LOCATION                           BID PRICE:
                                               
#39940                  1956 Heritage SF High Level Coach            Beech Grove, IN               _________
#39952                  1956 Heritage SF High Level Coach            Beech Grove, IN               _________
#39953                  1956 Heritage SF High Level Coach            Beech Grove, IN               _________
#39957                  1956 Heritage SF High Level Coach            Beech Grove, IN               _________
 
LINE #6 – Refrigeration Express Car - Weight 160,000 lbs. each
 
CAR #                    DESCRIPTION                                                     LOCATION                           BID PRICE:
                                               
#74003                  1970 Refrigeration Express Car                   Los Angeles, CA                                _________
#74011                  1970 Refrigeration Express Car                   Los Angeles, CA                                _________
#74014                  1970 Refrigeration Express Car                   Los Angeles, CA                                _________
#74022                  1970 Refrigeration Express Car                   Los Angeles, CA                                _________
#74029                  1970 Refrigeration Express Car                   Los Angeles, CA                                _________
#74062                  1970 Refrigeration Express Car                   Los Angeles, CA                                _________
#74095                  1970 Refrigeration Express Car                   Los Angeles, CA                                _________
 
BID CLOSE DATE:  JANUARY 4, 2019
Asset Recovery E-Mail:  assetrecovery@amtrak.com
 



Date: 11/20/18 13:53
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: glendale




Date: 11/20/18 15:04
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: 69440

glendale Wrote:
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> Already posted earlier:
>
> https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,

The complete list was not posted earlier.  Gene, thanks for the details.



Date: 11/20/18 15:54
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: jp1822

NO! This is a NEW list and VERY interesting to see. Since 2007 or so Amtrak has been holding onto a "surplus" of Heritage Diners (or more Heritage Diners than what they were needing for the East Coast LD ovenrnight trains) AND former Heritage 10-6 Sleepers used as Dorm cars on the single level overnight LD routes. Amtrak began withdrawing the Heritage Dorm cars in roughly 2007 and even targeting the Heritage Diners at that point. This was round 1 of the Lake Shore losing its Heritage [full service] Diner and the crew being assigned in-line revenue space on the Viewliner Sleeper, as opposed to their own crew space in the Heritage 10-6 Crew Car that had since been converted in the late 1990s as Viewliners were rolled out. This was also AMtrak's first round of all out war with trying to get rid of any Heritage equipment. This also led to the creation of the Amfleet Diner Lite Car (potential replacement for the Heritage Diners) and Superliner I Diner conversion into the Cross Country Cafe. The Superliner Sightseer Cars were also targeted for re-design so it could potentially serve as both diner/lounge on routes as necessary. 

- The Superliner Cross County Cafe was launched - but not to full design or operating plans as originally laid out. 
- The Superliner Sightseer Lounge only received a few tables on one end and nothing more (thank God!). One plan had them heading off for storage and replaced by a single Cross Country Cafe Car (to save operating $). 
- The Amfleet II Cafes were created to Diner Lite cars )horrible interior layout) and put into operation on the Cardinal and Lake Shore, but eventally the Heritage Diner was resurrected on the Lake Shore due to the Diner Lite not being able to sustain peak period operations. Eventually they pulled it again, and then Amtrak pulled the Silver Star's Heritage Diners right before the Viewliner II Diners began to be delivered. 
- The Heritage Crew Cars began to be withdrawn (and all were) - two were fully refurbished though for the business fleet though!

It was said that Amtrak wanted to sell the Heritage Diners (and even the Heritage Crew Cars - former Heritage 10-6 sleepers) for scrap so that they wouldn't end up into private car owners' hands since Amtrak wanted to avoid running them at all. Not sure how the private car owner world views these cars anymore with Amtrak's recent hostility towards private cars. 

Now we see them all for sale, and even the Hi-Level coaches that were refurbished to launch the Kentucky Cardinal and Heartland Flyer. 

I could see VIA interested in buying some of the Heritage Diners and even Heritage Crew Cars (converting back to sleepers) for their nostalgic purposes of operating the Canadian and even expansion should VIA look toward that path down the line (and if the price is right perhaps). 

So after all the years of storing these Heritage cars (diners and sleepers) - they now go up for sale! Gunn commented that he thought the Heritage Sleepers (referring to the Crew Cars) were better built than the VIewliner Sleepers. He was not a fan of those cars, especailly after the Viewliner froze up in the winter of 2003 or so! Amtrak even refurbed two of these cars back into service.....with retention tanks that originally led to their sidelining!

Anderson is REALLY cleaning house now!!!


69440 Wrote:
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> glendale Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Already posted earlier:
> >
> >
> https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,
>
>
> The complete list was not posted earlier.  Gene,
> thanks for the details.



Date: 11/20/18 16:14
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: CPR_4000

Maybe these are the diners that might be going to VIA?



Date: 11/20/18 16:33
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: njmidland

In reality, what private car owner would want a diner?  That is a lot of cost to tag along with sleepers, domes, business cars, etc.  Most PV operators have made modifications to their cars to handle food service.  If anyone is going to want a Heritage diner, it would be for a tourist train operation.  Unlike the dinner trains that were popular 20+ years ago, the model now seems to be having a diner as one of many options on a tourist train operation.  TVRM and Conway Scenic do this and it appears to be very popular.  Let's face it, the way things are going a tourist/museum railroad offering traditional dining car service may be the only place you can go to experience traditional dining car service.

Tim



Date: 11/20/18 16:44
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: jeff56

What is difference between a standard diner and a grill diner?



Date: 11/20/18 16:59
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: CPR_4000

The ExpressTrak reefers were built in 1970??? Apparently they were rebuilt for Amtrak? From what?
A tidbit from railcarphotos.com: "Former mechanical reefer built by Pacific Car & Foundry 4-70, rebuilt 3-02 by Ebenezer Railcar for Amtrak Express Service." Trying to think of who had mechanical reefers with 10-12 foot doors . . . MILW or PFE?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/18 17:07 by CPR_4000.



Date: 11/20/18 17:06
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: gbmott

I find it interesting that 8505 is not on the list.  To the best of my knowledge it was still in active service up to the time they were all retired.  It is one of the former North Coast Limited cars.  Anyone have information?

Gordon



Date: 11/20/18 17:09
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: retcsxcfm

j
> - The Superliner Sightseer Lounge only received a
> few tables on one end and nothing more (thank
> God!). One plan had them heading off for storage
> and replaced by a single Cross Country Cafe Car
> (to save operating $). 

Well they still run a sightseer and a crew less CCC
on the Capitol.Is that saving costs??

Uncle Joe
Seffner,Fl.



Date: 11/20/18 19:43
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: sums007

jeff56 Wrote:
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> What is difference between a standard diner and a
> grill diner?

The New Haven ran a grill diner between New York and Boston on some of their trains.  One difference I remember is that
there was counter seating in a grill diner, in addition to table seating.  



Date: 11/20/18 20:25
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: Amtrak288

8505 (Ex-NP 1957) and 8530 (Ex-PRR 1951) were both in Chicago being used as axle count cars on the Illinois trains when I was there last month.



Date: 11/21/18 03:26
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: gbmott

Amtrak288 Wrote:
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> 8505 (Ex-NP 1957) and 8530 (Ex-PRR 1951) were both
> in Chicago being used as axle count cars on the
> Illinois trains when I was there last month.

interesting if that is the only reason they are not on the sale list.  I would have thought they would use baggage cars instead.  Of course they could be thinking that since they have to run something anyway they might as well use the diners, open them up and thus provide overflow seating or else just a nice place to sit and work on your laptop.  (When pigs fly).

Gordon



Date: 11/21/18 06:58
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: joemvcnj

I guess those two were the cream of the crop.



Date: 11/21/18 07:04
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: Topfuel

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> I guess those two were the cream of the crop.

No, they were just amongst the cars that happened to be sitting around Chicago after being taken out of service, when the need arose for extra signal activation cars.  They run them until the COT&S expires.  They've even been using new Viewliner diners for those chores.



Date: 11/21/18 07:54
Re: Next Amtrak bid list: equipment offered for sale
Author: swirsk53

I think the so called Grill Diners are former New York Central Budd built cars that may originally have been deemed the equivalent of diner lounge cars.  Full car (other than kitchen and galley area) were set for table service but with banquettes at one end as opposed to tables for 4 at the diner end. The summer of 1972 or 1973, when I worked for an Amtrak vendor escorting tour groups from NY Penn to Disney World (Kissimmee station) I recall these cars along with SP Pride of Texas coffee shops (similar interior arrangement) being used along with SCL and SP Audobon diners on the Champions. Champions typically had 2 diners in that period, both with the same menu and service.  This was pre-HEP.



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