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Date: 07/20/19 06:13
F125’s
Author: KDC

How about a report card on the F125’s? Does anyone have anything? I really don’t understand why Progress Rail hasn’t sent a couple of demonstrators to Amtrak. ??

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Date: 07/20/19 09:51
Re: F125’s
Author: PHall

Because they haven't built any "demonstrators"?



Date: 07/20/19 10:10
Re: F125’s
Author: chess

According to previous posts, the F125 was suffering from more reliability issues than the Siemens Chargers'. Also Amtrak wanted to consolidate and simplify it's locomotive fleet. The electrics in the NEC, the regional Midwest, Southwest, and Northwest trains are using Siemens engines, so why not use them on the LD routes as well. Easier for mechanical forces to deal with. 



Date: 07/20/19 10:35
Re: F125’s
Author: The-late-EMD

It seems that most of the F125's problems have been fixed as most of them are in service plus 2 more were shipped from the factory last week.

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Date: 07/20/19 10:39
Re: F125’s
Author: PacificElectric1961

Here's the update from the June 28th Metrolin Board. Hopefully the link works.

http://metrolink.granicus.com/DocumentViewer.php?file=metrolink_650ed6eb6ccb18464eea8043c3783802.pdf&view=1



Date: 07/20/19 12:47
Re: F125’s
Author: PHall

PacificElectric1961 Wrote:
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> Here's the update from the June 28th Metrolin
> Board. Hopefully the link works.
>
> http://metrolink.granicus.com/DocumentViewer.php?f
> ile=metrolink_650ed6eb6ccb18464eea8043c3783802.pdf
> &view=1

Link works.



Date: 07/20/19 17:22
Re: F125’s
Author: jst3751

For those not wanting to wade through the 201 page report: As of June 23, 2019:

23 have been delivered of the 40 ordered
ONLY 9 are in service
1 is awaiting replacement of a defective alternator bearing
2 were in an collision and have been repaired and are awaiting Certificates of Good Repair
6 have completed simulated service and are awaiting issuance of Conditional Acceptance Certificate
2 are in simulated service
3 are sitting around collecting dust awaiting their turn for the simulated service

Simulated service is running on a train with a second locomotive for 2,500 failure-free hours

Those are the facts. They speak for themselves.

What is interesting to note is that they are saying they expect all 40 to be in service by the summer of 2020. Excuse me while I burst out laughing.



Date: 07/20/19 21:03
Re: F125’s
Author: PHall

jst3751 Wrote:
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> For those not wanting to wade through the 201 page
> report: As of June 23, 2019:
>
> 23 have been delivered of the 40 ordered
> ONLY 9 are in service
> 1 is awaiting replacement of a defective
> alternator bearing
> 2 were in an collision and have been repaired and
> are awaiting Certificates of Good Repair
> 6 have completed simulated service and are
> awaiting issuance of Conditional Acceptance
> Certificate
> 2 are in simulated service
> 3 are sitting around collecting dust awaiting
> their turn for the simulated service
>
> Simulated service is running on a train with a
> second locomotive for 2,500 failure-free hours
>
> Those are the facts. They speak for themselves.
>
> What is interesting to note is that they are
> saying they expect all 40 to be in service by the
> summer of 2020. Excuse me while I burst out
> laughing.

You're laughing because they want to make sure they're reliable before they put them into service?
Because we all know that if these units have any kind of failure in service you'll be one of the first to call Metrolink out on it.



Date: 07/20/19 22:27
Re: F125’s
Author: DevalDragon

PHall Wrote:
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> You're laughing because they want to make sure
> they're reliable before they put them into
> service?
> Because we all know that if these units have any
> kind of failure in service you'll be one of the
> first to call Metrolink out on it.

He's laughing because some of these locomotives are nearly 4 years old and only 9 have been able to run for 2,500 failure free hours.

This whole F125 fiasco is so tragic it is (kind of) funny.



Date: 07/21/19 07:18
Re: F125’s
Author: irhoghead

I'd be willing to bet that there are forty plus year old SD40-2s running around out there that still put in 2,500 failure-free hours. It's amazing how low the remnants of EMD have sunk.



Date: 07/21/19 08:08
Re: F125’s
Author: Duna

The F-35 of locomotives.

Search on "F-35 problems". Yow.



Date: 07/21/19 08:44
Re: F125’s
Author: utwazoo

Duna Wrote:
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> The F-35 of locomotives.
>
> Search on "F-35 problems". Yow.

At least F125 drivers don't need oxygen supply.



Date: 07/21/19 14:33
Re: F125’s
Author: jst3751

DevalDragon Wrote:
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> PHall Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You're laughing because they want to make sure
> > they're reliable before they put them into
> > service?
> > Because we all know that if these units have
> any
> > kind of failure in service you'll be one of the
> > first to call Metrolink out on it.
>
> He's laughing because some of these locomotives
> are nearly 4 years old and only 9 have been able
> to run for 2,500 failure free hours.
>
> This whole F125 fiasco is so tragic it is (kind
> of) funny.

EXACTLY!

PHall, answer these:
  • Why hasn't anyone else ordered a F125?
  • Why have there been so many change orders?
  • Why were there significant design issues not noticed until the first units were delivered? One of those was so blatantly obvious it is sad and laughable at the same time, the hand rails for accessing the cab.
  • Why is it that there are 3 locomotives that completed all of their testing including the 2,500 hour failure-free simulated service at the end of last year and are just sitting around collecting dust?
  • In fact, since Dec 2018, NO unit that has completed testing has been placed into service. WHY NOT?
  • Why did the simulated service 500 failure-free hours have to be expanded 2 times to where it is now at 2,500 failure free miles?

The facts speak for themselves, the F125 is a fiasco.

Metrolink, like so many other governmental bodies in Southern California, have to do things their own way sticking their noses up to what the rest of the country is doing proclaiming they are better than everyone else, and in doing so keep stumbling on their own feet.



Date: 07/21/19 17:31
Re: F125’s
Author: mundo

Seldom agree with PHall and 3751, but they are 100% on target here.

For Metrolink, the future may be changing with a rail experienced manager joining the team,  along with the new CEO now in place.
Much damage has been done, but hopefully it will start to turn around.



Date: 07/22/19 09:44
Re: F125’s
Author: Abqfoamer

Wow. 
And to add tp the outrage,,,those F125s are the most garish, disjointed-looking, plain Uh-HUGLY-looking locos yet.
Look like parade floats.
What is going on??? 



Date: 07/23/19 14:08
Re: F125’s
Author: KV1guy

That was the F-22 ;-)

Utwazoo Wrote:
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> Duna Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The F-35 of locomotives.
> >
> > Search on "F-35 problems". Yow.
>
> At least F125 drivers don't need oxygen supply.

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