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Date: 08/07/19 22:19
While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: weather

Great article  from RAILWAY AGE on new owners putting lots of money into the property.  Steam engine #73 back in operation after form 4.  ​https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/commuterregional/its-full-steam-and-diesel-ahead-at-white-pass-yukon/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5460



Date: 08/07/19 22:30
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: AltiplanoRailtours1

Its been mentioned before that there is interest in rebuilding the line into Whitehorse from Carcross, is that still a possibility?



Date: 08/07/19 22:35
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: ts1457

Are the new locomotives Tier 4 compliant?



Date: 08/07/19 22:46
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: zorz

ts1457 Wrote:
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> Are the new locomotives Tier 4 compliant?

It looks like no, as they’re using the 645 power plant. I’m curious how they got around it, or if they’re considered rebuilds (using donated standard gauge cores and frames).



Date: 08/08/19 12:08
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: dcfbalcoS1

     'While' Pass and Yukon ??



Date: 08/08/19 13:09
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: displacedneb

What has happened to 2-8-0 69?

Posted from iPhone



Date: 08/08/19 19:55
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: DRGW483

My understanding is that these are considered rebuilds.  However the White Pass doesn't necessarily have to do everything based on US law.   The White Pass & Yukon is the trade name used by three different railroads that all connect to each other, the Pacific and Arctic Railway and Navigation Company (in Alaska), the British Columbia Yukon Railway Company (in British Columbia) and the British Yukon Railway Company,  (in Yukon).

What happens, for example, if the new units are bought by the British Yukon Railway Company and delivered and accepted in Carcross, Yukon Territory? I'm not sure, but you can bet that they have attorneys who do know, so perhaps things such as this might be looked at differently when one steps on the other side of the imaginary line.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/08/19 19:56 by DRGW483.



Date: 08/08/19 21:32
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: dh1205

displacedneb Wrote:
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> What has happened to 2-8-0 69?
>
> Posted from iPhone


It is sitting out back of the shop.  These pictures were taken on the August 2nd.  I was told that the crews prefer the 73 over the 69.  The cab is tight on the 69, they can't see each other in the cab.  You can see why in the second picture. 
 






Date: 08/08/19 21:36
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: ts1457

DRGW483 Wrote:
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> My understanding is that these are considered
> rebuilds.  However the White Pass doesn't
> necessarily have to do everything based on US law.

The railroad operates for a short stretch in the USA, so I would think the locomotives need to be Tier 4. The WP&Y referred to them as new locomotives, but I think them being rebuilds is the answer (unless some special exemption comes into pay).
 



Date: 08/08/19 22:21
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: jmt

As a guide to what the locos will look like, NRE, its subcontractors, and licensees have built around 80+ GT26CU-3 lightweight clones in the last decade, using a fish-belly frame, the bulk (68) in South Africa, but also in Croatia and the USA.

The South African assembled units, are plated RRL, or NRE, or with a combined NRE/Grindrod plate. All used a cab forward configuration, CMT gauges, no standard.

The TZV Gredelj (Croatia) assembled units for Israel and for East African open access operator Calabash Fleet, have a convential cab, and carry NRE plates.

Links to photos, as I guess they are copyrighted. 4007/4008 are Cape guage, 5650 bogies, clone 761 traction motors.
Towards bottom of this page, on the wharf in Rijeka
http://www.zeljeznice.net/forum/index.php?/topic/5818-tzv-gredelj/page-43

These are the Grindrod assembled 3' gauge unit for Colombia, I believe NRE plated, 7FDL-12 with a AR10 alternator, 764 traction mptors, 5650 bogies.

2203 posted 29/01/2015, Diego Andres Sotelo, facebook.com
2204 posted 21/11/2014, Heyman Petra Nthuli, facebook.com
2004 posted 11/02/2015, Fernando Zuluaga Hernandez, facebook.com

If you look at the total number of NRE export units over the last decade, it would appear that the bulk have been assenbled offshore.

 








Date: 08/08/19 22:29
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: jmt

TZV Gredelj assembled NGT26CU-3 for Calabash Fleet, Cape guage

4007 posted 05/06/2018, Thabang Ramohlabi, facebool.com
4007 posted 27/03/2019, Workson Mugala, facebook.com






Date: 08/08/19 22:39
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: zorz

jmt Wrote:
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> TZV Gredelj assembled NGT26CU-3 for Calabash
> Fleet, Cape guage
>
> 4007 posted 05/06/2018, Thabang Ramohlabi,
> facebool.com
> 4007 posted 27/03/2019, Workson Mugala,
> facebook.com

Thanks for posting those pics!

For the White Pass units, I believe they will have a cab closer to the design of the Australian Qube logistics units as those have a cab that also meets US and Canadian crashworthiness sfandards. Here’s an example: https://www.flickr.com/photos/semmytrailer/7059486289

However, we don’t know if they’re cowl or hood units - White Pass has brutal winters and a coal unit may be better suited.

Last, it is a bummer that we won’t see 8-axle GE rebuilds in North America :)

 



Date: 08/09/19 03:55
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: jmt

GT42LCU-3, shorter fish belly frame, 8 currently under assembly for Watco, 15.75 tonne/axle loading
This cab meets Australian crash standards that are broadly inline with AAR
Photo from Watco Facebook page posted 06/07/2019




Date: 08/09/19 06:57
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: ts1457

Thanks everyone for the locomotive pictures. Very interesting. I did not know that the market for narrow gauge engines was so robust.



Date: 08/09/19 16:16
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: PHall

The Brits spread 42" gauge railways all over their former empire. Even non colonal countries like Japan adopted 42" gauge as their standard.



Date: 08/09/19 17:53
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: mp208

Where was the new loop track built?



Date: 08/09/19 18:12
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: MitchGDRMCo

Worldwide narrow gauge market is huge....



Date: 08/09/19 19:21
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: dh1205

mp208 Wrote:
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> Where was the new loop track built?

It was built at the summit. 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/12/19 06:12 by dh1205.



Date: 08/11/19 17:00
Re: While Pass and Yukon adds track & New Locos for 2019-20.
Author: jmt

So are the cores for the WP&Y locos the unsold Qube 1109 and 1110 currently located at Mount Vernon?

These date back to 2013, so will be pre Tier 4

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4540915
 



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