Passenger Trains > Metro Gold Line Blamed For Increase In Homeless In Arcadia

https://www.arcadiaweekly.com/news/gold-line-contributes-homelessness-arcadia/

Key words,, "police don't bother them". Maybe they should start bothering them. Maybe have police check the trains more. Maybe ask duna for the correct solution.

So the train makes people homeless or is it carrying homeless people to the park?

Maybe there is a larger systemic issue, and it’s certainly not the train.

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chrsjrcj Wrote:
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> Maybe there is a larger systemic issue, and it’s
> certainly not the train.

I think I've mentioned this on TO, but I had a conversation with a homeless in San Diego, and it was on a bus. He eventually transferred to the San Diego Trolley, but public transit helps their mobility. He has a mental illness, but was coherent enough to shed light to me on the homeless community. Anyway, since the homeless use the bus, too, let's just blame ANY transportation (including the roads) for our blight.

You're seeking real solutions, which is not allowed during political season. I say let the people blame public transit. The larger systemic issue needs to exist to manipulate people into voting.

cchan006 Wrote:
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> You're seeking real solutions, which is not
> allowed during political season. I say let the
> people blame public transit. The larger systemic
> issue needs to exist to manipulate people into
> voting.

What is "political season."

Why does anyone have to be manipulated into voting?  It's a civic responsibility.

RuleG Wrote:
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> cchan006 Wrote:
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>
> >
> > You're seeking real solutions, which is not
> > allowed during political season. I say let the
> > people blame public transit. The larger
> systemic
> > issue needs to exist to manipulate people into
> > voting.
>
> What is "political season."

it is when politicians are "pandering" for votes  by promising things are not in this county's best interest or not seeking solutions to current problems.  you KNOW, like medicare for all, free college, forgiving student/college loan debts, and abolishing the electoral college, NOT doing anything to end the urban DECAY of our cities, etc., etc,.............  

> Why does anyone have to be manipulated into
> voting?  It's a civic responsibility.

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SP4360 Wrote:
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> Key words,, "police don't bother them". Maybe they
> should start bothering them. Maybe have police
> check the trains more. Maybe ask duna for the
> correct solution.

"proactive" police work in this day and age would need BOTH political and societal backing/support...........

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RuleG Wrote:
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> What is "political season."
>
> Why does anyone have to be manipulated into
> voting?  It's a civic responsibility.

Election season.

Are people taking that civic responsibility properly? Have you bothered to look around and observe the hysteria? Some of that has spilled onto TO, if you haven't noticed? People are being manipulated into voting on issues uninformed, to put it mildly. Lots of emotions are being manipulated into voting for issues, the most popular one is "compassion."

I know you like to make statements with integrity and promote righteousness, but I don't think people, especially in leadership positions are listening to your message. If you think my cynicism = disagreeing with you, you couldn't be more wrong.



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goneon66 Wrote:
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> SP4360 Wrote:
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> > Key words,, "police don't bother them". Maybe
> they
> > should start bothering them. Maybe have police
> > check the trains more. Maybe ask duna for the
> > correct solution.
>
> "proactive" police work in this day and age would
> need BOTH political and societal
> backing/support...........
>
> 66

Some folks would also observe that proactive police work seems to ignore folks who have the ability to buy their way out of trouble.  Like the guy who got a sweetheart deal for child sex trafficking, and continued his activities, even under "work release" with deputies covering him 24/7.

The sheriff involved has said he will investigate himself and his department.

Cynicism is often warranted when folks invoke law and order.

As for
goneon66 Wrote:
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> RuleG Wrote:
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> > cchan006 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > You're seeking real solutions, which is not
> > > allowed during political season. I say let
> the
> > > people blame public transit. The larger
> > systemic
> > > issue needs to exist to manipulate people
> into
> > > voting.
> >
> > What is "political season."
>
> it is when politicians are "pandering" for votes 
> by promising things are not in this county's best
> interest or not seeking solutions to current
> problems.  you KNOW, like medicare for all, free
> college, forgiving student/college loan debts, and
> abolishing the electoral college, NOT doing
> anything to end the urban DECAY of our cities,
> etc., etc,.............  
>
> > Why does anyone have to be manipulated into
> > voting?  It's a civic responsibility.
>
> 66

it’s long past time to eliminate the electoral college. Unless you want to lose your freedoms to the whims of a minority placed in power by a compromise to keep slave states in the Union.As for Medicare for all I don’t care as long as everyone has medical care whether they can afford it or not. The right to life include the right to a healthy and productive life. 

Good reasons to not build anymore transit, anywhere.
Just park vans, abandoned cars, and RV's on city streets.

The mayor of Lancaster CA once suggested moving the Metrolink station out of town for the same reason.
And he's a very successful lawyer!
 

Bill Deaver
Tehachapi, CA

goneon66 Wrote:
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> SP4360 Wrote:
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> > Key words,, "police don't bother them". Maybe
> they
> > should start bothering them. Maybe have police
> > check the trains more. Maybe ask duna for the
> > correct solution.
>
> "proactive" police work in this day and age would
> need BOTH political and societal
> backing/support...........
>
> 66

It’s exactly what cleaned up New York, L.A. and many other cities 15-20 years ago. Now out of fashion, but it worked.

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it’s long past time to eliminate the electoral college. Unless you want to lose your freedoms to the whims of a minority placed in power by a compromise to keep slave states in the Union.As for Medicare for all I don’t care as long as everyone has medical care whether they can afford it or not. The right to life include the right to a healthy and productive life. 

agree 100%

And he also sold the land that the so called mental apartments are built on next to the cop house where the mental cop cost the county (and taxpayers) lots of bucks for his stunt. Rex is not your friend.

MojaveBill Wrote:
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> The mayor of Lancaster CA once suggested moving
> the Metrolink station out of town for the same
> reason.
> And he's a very successful lawyer!
>  

cchan006 Wrote:
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> chrsjrcj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Maybe there is a larger systemic issue, and
> it’s
> > certainly not the train.
>
> I think I've mentioned this on TO, but I had a
> conversation with a homeless in San Diego, and it
> was on a bus. He eventually transferred to the San
> Diego Trolley, but public transit helps their
> mobility. He has a mental illness, but was
> coherent enough to shed light to me on the
> homeless community. Anyway, since the homeless use
> the bus, too, let's just blame ANY transportation
> (including the roads) for our blight.
>
> You're seeking real solutions, which is not
> allowed during political season. I say let the
> people blame public transit. The larger systemic
> issue needs to exist to manipulate people into
> voting

Charles, as he often does, hits this on the head. The issue with homeless people using transit is not rail-specific, it's acceess-induced, and much the same as no one wants encampments on the sidewalks or the parks, transit is losing patronage because of the large amount of homeless people on it (like libraries are losing users), but the great political issue at hand is far beyond the trains and has to do with a breakdown inapprorpriate for this forum. The trains being used are just another symptom. I don't want to get into a political discussion here as they don't belong on TO, but I wanted to post to say, blaming the trains is misguided. Buses would do the same. 



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cchan006 Wrote:
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> RuleG Wrote:
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> > What is "political season."
> >
> > Why does anyone have to be manipulated into
> > voting?  It's a civic responsibility.
>
> Election season.

Based on politicians' statements & votes as well as media articles and political e-mails which flood my inbox, there is no election "season."  It seems like people are always looking to the next election.

>
> Are people taking that civic responsibility
> properly? Have you bothered to look around and
> observe the hysteria? Some of that has spilled
> onto TO, if you haven't noticed?

Don't know what you call hysteria.  Some actions and viewpoints I see as hysteria and I know that others see my statements and beliefs as "hysteria."  PM me if you wish to discuss in further detail.

People are being
> manipulated into voting on issues uninformed,

1) Your previous statement was just "People are being manipulated into voting."   The addition of "on issues uninformed" is a very different statement.

Yes, I believe many voters are not as informed on the issues and candidates as they should be.  I consider myself reasonably well informed on candidates for federal office and on national, state and local issues, but I can always learn more.  Yet, there are those who would lable me a "low-information voter" because of my electoral choices.

to
> put it mildly. Lots of emotions are being
> manipulated into voting for issues, the most
> popular one is "compassion."

You cite "compassion" like its a bad thing.  I think there's incredible lack of compassion when public transit is blamed for widespread social problems, because many who do so ignore the riders (many of whom are low/moderate income citizens) who just need a way to get to work, educational opportunities, medical care, food shopping and houses of worship.

By the way, at my office, the annual United Way campaign is about to get started.  With the exception of one or two years, I've donated annually, but a lot is done to get employees to participate in the campaign (another form of "manipulation" for compassion?).
>
> I know you like to make statements with integrity
> and promote righteousness, but I don't think
> people, especially in leadership positions are
> listening to your message. If you think my
> cynicism = disagreeing with you, you couldn't be
> more wrong.

Some leaders listen to my message and other leaders ignore me.

Have a good Labour Day weekend.



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        Mule fritters ! As Potter would say on MASH.

goneon66 Wrote:
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> it is when politicians are "pandering" for votes 
> by promising things are not in this county's best
> interest or not seeking solutions to current
> problems.  you KNOW, like medicare for all, free
> college, forgiving student/college loan debts, and
> abolishing the electoral college, NOT doing
> anything to end the urban DECAY of our cities,
> etc., etc,.............  
>

> 66

As an urbanophile, I was disgusted that none of the moderators asked any questions of the Presidential candidates about federal policies towards cities at the recent "debate" held in Detroit.  That would have been a very appropriate time and place to raise such questions particularly with the struggles that Detroit and Flint and their citizens are encountering.

I looked at several of the Presidential candidates' websites for their views on urban policy and saw nothing.  Interestingly, two candidates had platforms on rural policy.

That said, one of the candidates with a rural policy, who is also the mayor of a Midwestern city has, by some accounts, made impressive strides in revitalizing his city.  Circling back to rail transit, I read that he was involved in planning to bring back a commuter rail line to the heart of the city.

 

On a recent radio talk show, the hosts were talking about a reporter who went to a homeless encampment and asked the residents what was involved in a typical day for them.  The answer was that they ate ice cream, did drugs and had sex.  

For a lot of people on government assistance, it doesn't get any better than that.  As long as they get their monthly check, the homeless will be a permanent fixture.